John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

[Northern Lass]

1841
Web Green Cottage, Lapal
John William 40
Elizabeth William 25
Peter William 20
George William 15
Mary William 15
Joseph William 14

is that this one? http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ams-Family
still no Emma though so perhaps this is not her family? George seems to fit OK with the 1851, and the address is spot on.

I will add in as a possible in notes....does it say his occup on census?


is there a bapt for emma with father john mother elizabeth?

[gardener]

1841
Web Green Cottage, Lapal
John William 40
Elizabeth William 25
Peter William 20
George William 15
Mary William 15
Joseph William 14

is that this one? http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ams-Family
still no Emma though so perhaps this is not her family? George seems to fit OK with the 1851, and the address is spot on.

I will add in as a possible in notes....does it say his occup on census? Nailor


is there a bapt for emma with father john mother elizabeth?

John's first wife was Sarah I think - see below.

Name: Peter Williams
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1820
Baptism Place: St. John, Halesowen, Worcester, England
Father: John Williams
Mother: Sarah

[gardener]

From IGI, parents John and Sarah, baptised Halesowen:

James Williams
christening: 24 July 1796 HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND

George Lloyd Williams
christening: 16 September 1798 HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND

John Williams
christening: 22 June 1800 HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND


Mary Williams
christening: 3 October 1802 HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND


Jane Williams
christening: 10 March 1805 HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND

Joseph Williams
christening: 16 August 1807 HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND

Eliza Williams
christening: 6 October 1811 HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND [Halesowen trans: nothing extra]


Peter Williams
christening: 25 December 1820 HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND [Halesowen trans: Lapal, Nailer]


George Williams
christening: 18 April 1823 HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND [Halesowen trans: Lapal, Nailer]


I think this Peter and George are the ones on the 1841 census. Perhaps "Eliza" is Elizabeth? John's sister looking after the kids because Sarah has died? Anyhow, Eliza and previous children seem to belong together as the offspring of John and Sarah snr.

[gardener]

Marriage info added by Jan and looked up by Maggie at the archvies
1848 : St John The Baptist, Halesowen
By Banns
Emma Williams, 19, S, Boro, Father John Williams, Shoemaker
Thomas Hall, OFA, B, Modeller, Boro, Father Thomas Hall, Chaser
Wit : Joseph Baker and Matilda Baker

1851. Edgbaston.
Thomas Hall 30. Modeller. Birm, Warwickshire.
Emma Hall 23. Shrewsbury, Shropshire.

1861 Birmingham, Lady Wood
Thomas Hall 42 Chandelier maker employing 15 men 12 boys&women Birmingham
Emma Hall 32 [not clear if she is Birmingham too or just not entered]

1871 Kings Norton
Thomas Hall 52 Retired chandelier manufacturer 52 Birmingham
Emma Hall 42 Shrewsbury

1881 Kings Norton
Thomas Hall retired brass founder 62 Edgbaston
Emma Hall 52 Shrewsbury, Salop

1891 Edgbaston
Emma Hall wid 62 living on own means Shrewsbury, Shropshire

1901 Edgbaston
Emma Hall wid 71 living on own means Salop, Shrewsbury

I can't see Emma in the 1841 census, not with father John a shoemaker at least.
Emma and Thomas don't seem to have had any children so I suggest we draw a line under this one

[Northern Lass]

Yep I am with you on that one Gardener

Rob you want this archived or brickwalled?

[Rob]

Me too Gardner rhanks for your help. In fact may i take this opportunity to thank everyone who have contributed. Thanks.
Shall we archive Jan?