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Could this be Frank Smith death

free bmd..Deaths Mar 1939
Smith Frank 24 Liverpool S. 8b 185

The marriage Smith to Jones is as I had found.
Where did you get the full info (Register Office or Registrar Attended Lancashire Liverpool REG_WD/210/105 ) from?

The Frank Smith death is the unknown Frank sharing Mary Ann grave.
As he is only 24, he would have been born in 1915. I suppose he could have been another child (she would have been 42) only she was married to Joseph Jones then. He is a mystery to the relative that holds the grave papers.
For Frank Smiths death I have Dec 1902 From FreeBMD, West Derby which fits.

I didn't realise from the 1861 Census that the Davies lived next door or across the road from each other.

http://lancashirebmd.org.uk/

So BB you still after Parents of Michael Grove b abt 1832
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =851834123

can anyone find census pls for

1861
1851
1841

and a bapt?

Northern Lass wrote:So BB you still after Parents of Michael Grove b abt 1832
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =851834123

can anyone find census pls for

1861
1851
1841

and a bapt?

look and cannot see anyone

1851 Swan Village West Bromwich poss visitor in household of
James Hadley?? and family

michael grove unm 18 visitor b west Bromwich

cant see him in 1861

Jimmy can you?

The visitor in 1851 was the best I could find as well.
I couldn't find the 1861 census
I have down Michael Groves death in 1889, West Bromwich.
I found Mary Ann as widow in District Hospital, Edward St. 1891 Census
In 1911 Census she is entered living with her son Isaac at 73 Hargate Lane. Although widowed she said she had been married 36 years with 11 children born 5 of whom died.
I have found a couple of articles on the family. Isaac sounds like a right rouge!

I am still not managing to push the Michael Groves Senior line any further back though.

I couldn't see any possible marriage for a Michael grove snr
or any bapt for Michael grove jnr

stuck I think bb

going to move this to Brickwalls unless anyone has any further info

Brick wall sounds about right.
I do have Michael Senior now, so I am a bit further on.
Thanks for everyone's help, it's much appreciated.

rght found this marriage for poss michael srn


Michael Groves or Graves
Sarah Livesey
residence: 19 June 1817 Saltersford-cum-Kettleshulme, Cheshire,
marriage: 19 June 1817 , Prestbury, Cheshire,

England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000




anyone else find anything simlar ?

1851 swan village

James Hendley 50
Mary Hendley 49
James Hendley 22
Nancy Hendley 18
Mary Hendley 15
Charles Hendley 8
Michael Grove 18



michael a visitor here so whats the connection friend or family ?

Good Point!
I have found no other Hendleys in my family. I sort of assumed, as he was listed as a visitor rather than nephew, and there was an 18 year old girl there, that romance may be the connection.
In the 1901 census though my Grandfathers uncle was in the same house as Grandfather and his family but only listed as a border.
It would be worth checking to see if Hendley may have a family connection re his mothers maiden name.
Thanks for the thought.

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