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I have Timothys wedding to Emma Downing taken from original film scripts . It does say James is his father It also says father deceased , but I thought James died in 1865 Dudley Register Office DUD/ 056/ 322, and I have him in 1861 Census

2 Dec 1878 St Paul Blackheath
Timothy HAZLEWOOD 32 B Ironworker Oldbury Father Timothy Hazlewood Sadler
Ellen Catherine PRATT 31 S Oldbury Father William Pratt Boat Builder
After Banns Both Signed
Wit. Samuel Downing / Sarah Kathleen Downing

I am sure you have a key to the records office RF .

Could Nancy be Betty Hazlewood , as Nancy's daughter is Betsy ?

Someone on Ancestry has her name as Nancy Hazard ? Born 1783 in Langley

If Betsy Mills birth certificate was obtained it would give mothers maiden name .

dudleytaylor wrote:If Betsy Mills birth certificate was obtained it would give mothers maiden name .

I'm a novice at all of this but I thought that birth registration in the UK wasn't introduced until 1837.

Assuming the 1841 Census information is correct, Betsy Mills (who was 8 in 1841) would have been born in c 1833 prior to registration.

So far my approach to stuff before 1833/1841 has been to trawl through all the local parish records looking for relevant Hazlewood's (as well as Mills's and one or two other related names I've been working on). But only about 1/4 way through the records so far (back to about 1800) and I've been concentrating on those at Dudley Records Office (which in particular has the early records for Oldbury when St John the Baptist, Halesowen was the parish church) since I know they will not be available later this year when they move their records from Coseley to Tipton Road, Dudley. Is there a less labour intensive approach than this ?

dudleytaylor wrote:Someone on Ancestry has her name as Nancy Hazard ? Born 1783 in Langley

If this was the Nancy Mills on the 1841 Census, she would be age 57 in 1841. She is actually recorded in 1841 as being age "50" (though I know these are only approximate ages).

On the 1851 Census she is recorded as being age 68, which means she would have been born in c 1783, so the birth date on Ancestry looks about right.

Must go and check out the St John the Baptist, Halesowen parish records for 1783 on my next day off !!!

hazlewlj wrote:

dudleytaylor wrote:If Betsy Mills birth certificate was obtained it would give mothers maiden name .

I'm a novice at all of this but I thought that birth registration in the UK wasn't introduced until 1837.

Assuming the 1841 Census information is correct, Betsy Mills (who was 8 in 1841) would have been born in c 1833 prior to registration.

So far my approach to stuff before 1833/1841 has been to trawl through all the local parish records looking for relevant Hazlewood's (as well as Mills's and one or two other related names I've been working on). But only about 1/4 way through the records so far (back to about 1800) and I've been concentrating on those at Dudley Records Office (which in particular has the early records for Oldbury when St John the Baptist, Halesowen was the parish church) since I know they will not be available later this year when they move their records from Coseley to Tipton Road, Dudley. Is there a less labour intensive approach than this ?

Yes you are right , if she had been a few years younger ,you will have to try for baptism ,some do give mothers maiden name if your lucky The Hive in Worcester has St John Halesowen ,if you fancy a trip out .

Timothy must be son of Timothy and Hannah

and that marriage to Emma downing must have the wrong father on
as James doesnt have a timothy.

Northern Lass wrote:Timothy must be son of Timothy and Hannah

and that marriage to Emma downing must have the wrong father on
as James doesnt have a timothy.

I think so , James must have been there as his uncle because his own father was dead . somehow they must have thought James was his father .

May 9 1841 Parish Church of Harborne

William Summers Full Bach Labourer Harborne Father Thomas Summers Labourer
Phoebe Mills Full Spinster Harborne Father Thomas Mills Labourer
Both Signed X Wit Samuel Dugmore John Barnett

Northern Lass wrote:

rockyfowler wrote:Baptisms
14 Feb 1830 St Thomas Dudley
Ampleass Daur of James & Phebe HAZLEWOOD ,Netherton , Saddler

12 Feb 1830 St Thomas Dudley
Jemima Daur of James & Phebe HAZLEWOOD ,Netherton , Saddler

11 Aug 1833 St Thomas Dudley
Esther daur of James & Phebe HAZLEWOOD ,Bumblehole , Saddler

24 Apr 1836 St Thomas Dudley
William son of James & Phebe HAZLEWOOD ,Bumblehole , Saddler
Born 12 Jun 1836

So is the St Giles one we have for Amplis incorrect
13 august 1826....not got time to check in my book could someone check please

Yep it is in there so she must have been bapt twice

or the first one died?

Need Marriage of Thomas Mills and Nancy , for her maiden name ?

Northern Lass wrote:

Northern Lass wrote:

rockyfowler wrote:Baptisms
14 Feb 1830 St Thomas Dudley
Ampleass Daur of James & Phebe HAZLEWOOD ,Netherton , Saddler

12 Feb 1830 St Thomas Dudley
Jemima Daur of James & Phebe HAZLEWOOD ,Netherton , Saddler

11 Aug 1833 St Thomas Dudley
Esther daur of James & Phebe HAZLEWOOD ,Bumblehole , Saddler

24 Apr 1836 St Thomas Dudley
William son of James & Phebe HAZLEWOOD ,Bumblehole , Saddler
Born 12 Jun 1836

So is the St Giles one we have for Amplis incorrect
13 august 1826....not got time to check in my book could someone check please

Yep it is in there so she must have been bapt twice

or the first one died?

James and Phebe, Amplis died after she married William England

Name: Amplias England
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1850
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 18
Page: 245


She was Baptised at St Thomas Church 14 Feb 1830

I have the transcript from the Hive