ARC TBC........Edwin Toye b 1860----

[NickToye]

1891 Census
Hmm, actually he's done as Edward, why have I not seen that before.

1891 5 Hagley Road Quinton Worcestershire
Edward Toye 30
Ellen Toye 31
Thomas Toye 7
David Toye 5
Eliza Toye 2

I know there are more than 1 Edwin Toye in the area at that time, one was married to a Sophy, and another to a Florence.

[Northern Lass]

Who is this Edwin Toy in 1901 a bricklayer

1901 20 ct 2 ? Smith St Birmingham
Edwin Toye head married 39 bricklayer b Netherton
Georgina Toye wife married 29 b Scotland

1911 6 bk 23 denmark st Aston Manor B'ham
Edwin Toye Head married 49 13 years married 3 children 3 living Bricklayer
Florence A could be an M 39 married
Fanny Toye dau 12
Edwin Toye son 4
Marion G Toye dau 1
all born Birmingham

Edwin Toye and a Florence A in B'ham married 13 years

Marriages Dec 1899
Bennett Joseph Redruth 5c 461
Roberts Florence Mabel Redruth 5c 461
Toy Edwin Redruth 5c 461
Toy Lily Tregatha Redruth 5c 461

[NickToye]

I don't have a marriage certificate, I may try and order one.

Doesn't it say though that Ellen was a widow, and therefore we should be seeking a death certificate?

[NickToye]

According to Ancestry they married:

1st quarter 1881

Names present:

Edwin Taye
William Underhill
Ellen Walford
Betsy Wright

I'll do a search for Edwin Taye.

Ok I realise that William Underhill and Betsy Wright were not witnesses, but on the same record sheet.

[rockyfowler]

13 Jun 1898 St John The Baptist Halesowen
John HAYCOCK 37 B Farm Labourer Birmingham Street Halesowen Father Thomas Haycock (Dec) Nail Maker
Lucy PARSONS 42 S Char-Woman Birmingham Street Halesowen Father Henry Parsons (Dec) Furnace Man
After Banns John Signed The X Of Lucy
Wit; Thomas Siviter / Elizabeth Kinsey

[rockyfowler]

Here`s Ellens Marriage
1 Mar 1881 Christ Church Quinton
Edward TAYE 20 B Bricklayer Quinton Father William Taye Nailer
Ellen WALFORD 23 S Quinton Father Thomas Walford Weaver
After Banns Both signed
Wit; John Haycock / Betsey B---?

[Northern Lass]

Looks like there are only 2 Edwin Toyes born in area

Births Jun 1860
TOY Edwin Stourbridge 6c 167

and the w'ton one

Births Dec 1861
TOY Edwin Wolverhampton 6b 352

and that is putting in Edw* and Toy* as info

so I think that one in b'ham .............may be ours you know............

[Northern Lass]

Deaths Mar 1937
Toye Edwin 75 Birmingham 6d 140

Deaths Mar 1933
Toy Edwin 77 Wolverhampton 6b 810

[Northern Lass]

I think the 1911 death is this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =218327907


cant see him and matilda in 1901


Name: Matilda Toy
Age in 1911: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Hill
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 120 Malt Mill Lane, Blackheath, Bham
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Milk seller
Registration District: Stourbridge
Registration District Number: 373
Sub-registration District: Halesowen
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household Schedule Number: 173
Piece: 17475
Household Members: Name Age
Matilda Toy 69

[Northern Lass]

found the one married to matilda trans as foy
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =386025829

so that could be the 1911 one who dies

[NickToye]

Ok, let me catch up.

We are now thinking Edwin who married Florence is my Edwin who was married to Ellen? Why do we think they were married in Cornwall? Which by the way has quite a few Toye's living down there.

[rockyfowler]

from ancestry electoral rolls

Name: Edwin Toye
Year: 1920
Ward or Division/Constituency: Aston
Street Address: 6 court 5 DENMARK STREET
Residence Place: Birmingham

with Florence Ada Toye

Name: Edwin Toye
Year: 1935
Ward or Division/Constituency: Aston
Street Address: 6 court 5 DENMARK STREET
Residence Place: Birmingham

With
Florence Ada Toye
Miriam Gertrude Toye
Ellen Toye


Another Edwin (Prob son)

Name: Edwin Toye
Year: 1935
Ward or Division/Constituency: West Birmingham
Street Address: 4 court 36 GREAT RUSSELL STREET
Residence Place: Birmingham
With Clara Toye at same address

[NickToye]

What do those 3 names mean at the bottom?

[rockyfowler]

The Wife and Other people eligible to Vote at the address

[NickToye]

he was married to an Ellen. No way he would name his kid Ellen, and it can't be his ex-wife. This guy's a right bad apple in my family.