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Northern Lass wrote:Signature at St Lukes Cradley Heath

that is a very definate type of signature need to see if the Kingswinford one matches

Can someone have a look at this please and at sigs back on oppo page (cant carry them over on quote)

I think same guy

Not so sure Jan - look at the B in the surname 'Baker'

I know but we have 20 years between them and sigs change in that time.

what does it for me is the bending on the B they are the same it arches the same

Marchesgirl I think the occupation on kids marriages for Elijah swings it too
Iron sheet Roller and he is that on bapt of Joanna
so I am going to add in that second marriage looks good to me

Not so sure about those two signatures: the letter B at the start of Baker is formed in two completely different ways, as is the r at the end. I know signatures can change over time, but if you have been taught copperplate writing I don't think the basic way you form the letters would change.
Also the l and h in Elijah have distinct backward slopes/ curves to them in one signature and not in the other.

sp1 wrote:Not so sure about those two signatures: the letter B at the start of Baker is formed in two completely different ways, as is the r at the end. I know signatures can change over time, but if you have been taught copperplate writing I don't think the basic way you form the letters would change.
Also the l and h in Elijah have distinct backward slopes/ curves to them in one signature and not in the other.

Could be that someone else wrote one of them for him.

I have added to Bcc with a note I think the occupation for him at death on kids marriages
is good for Elijah. and his dau Joanna with Elizabeth has occup as
06-07-1851 Joanna daughter of Elijah & Elizabeth Baker, Tipton, Sheet Iron Roller, b. 20-09-1850

rockyfowler wrote:Name: BAKER, Joanna

Registration dis Dudley
Staffordshire
1868
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 6C
Page no: 38

ASTON, Alfred

1871
ASTON, Alfred Head M 24 1847 Staffordshire
ASTON, Johanna Wife F 20 1851 Staffordshire
ASTON, Ann Daughter F 2 1869 Staffordshire
ASTON, Josiah Son M 1 1870 Staffordshire

Address: Griffith's Street, Tipton

County: Staffordshire

got this marriage info adding now to Bcc father Elijah checks out roller.

also thanks to RF got burial info checked updated Bcc

Northern Lass wrote:Deaths Mar 1852
Baker Elijah Stourbridge 6c 86

would like to know dob and age at death of this one

Still would like to know who this one is was any idea anyone?

Marchesgirl wrote:Hi,

I have a photocopy of the register entry for the marriage of Elijah Baker to Ann Forrest - will e-mail as I can't work out how to attach it.

Here's a transcript of the death certificate:
Elijah Baker died on 06-06-1881 at Waste Bank, Wollescote, aged 77 years. A Sheet Iron Roller, he died of Accidental Death by falling down stairs. The death was registered by a certificate from Ralph Docker, Coroner for Worcestershire, on 14-06-1881. The Inquest was held on 11th June 1881.

I realised the "burial in May but death in June" error this morning Am trying to find my original notes to see if it was a typing error or I copied it down wrong. Death is definitely 6th June.

The 1861 and 1871 census returns posted by Rocky look very promising. I've also found the following:

1871
Dudley Union Workhouse
William Baker, Inmate, Widr [sic], 12, None (occupation), Tipton

1881
Dudley Road, Rowley Regis
Edward Felvus, Head, M, 30, Sheet Sheerer iron, Princes End
Mary A. Felvus, Wife, M, 27, Lye Waste
Ellen Felvus, Dau., 5, Dudley Port,
Elizabeth Felvus, Dau., 3, Dudley Port,
Hannah Felvus, Dau., 10m, Dudley Port,
Elizabeth Baker, Mother/Law, W, 35, Laundress, Tipton
William Baker, Brother/Law, U, 21, Labourer, Tipton

Dec. qtr. 1874 Edward Felvus m. Mary A. Baker Dudley 6c 161

Marchesgirl on the inquest does it say who found him dead?
name of neighbour?

Checked yesterday He is not buried at Oldswinford Quarry Bank or Lye

Ralph Docker ? http://www.84f.com/chronology/1860s/18691225.html

rockyfowler wrote:Checked yesterday He is not buried at Oldswinford Quarry Bank or Lye

thanks RF
might have to get that death certif just to see who he was.

So we have Elijah Baker -we have a bapt and dob 1801.
-Marries in 1824 wife dies
-Elijah looks like he remarries again in 1849 to an Elizabeth Williams nee Morris.
(marriage age bit out -father is on there which could be made up-occupation millman does that fit with sheet roller?)

-Then we have a dau Joanna bapt which does fit with occup for Elijah Baker
06-07-1851 Joanna daughter of Elijah & Elizabeth Baker, Tipton, Sheet Iron Roller, b. 20-09-1850

-We have a newspaper article newspaper report from 1854 which backs up 2nd marriage
"Elijah was in trouble again for assaulting his second wife, Elizabeth, and deserting her and his family. It mentions that his first wife died from his ill treatment ..."

We have his kids marriages where his occup is down.....and matches death info on most.
-Benjamin Baker ...m 1848... Benjamin Baker, of full age, bachelor, Forgeman of Careless Green, son of Elijah Baker, Forgeman,
-Smiri Baker m 1848...Simri Baker, of full age, bachelor, Forgeman of Careless Green, son of Elijah Baker, Boiler Plate Roller,
-Maria Baker m 1849 ..Maria Baker, minor, spinster of Ambelcote Lane, daughter of Elijah Baker, Labourer.
-Eri Baker m 1854 ... Eri Baker 20 bach chainmaker The Lye Elijah Baker Sheet Iron Roller
-Ori Baker m 1855 and 1862...Ori Baker, 19, bachelor, Chainmaker of The Lye, son of Elijah Baker, Sheet Iron Roller,/ and....Ori Baker, 24, bachelor, Chainmaker of The Lye, son of Elijah Baker, Boiler Plate Roller
-Zeri Baker m 1857..Zeri Baker 19 bach Hammer Maker The Lye Elijah Baker Sheet Iron Roller /and then in 1860 Zeri ...Zeri Baker, 23, bachelor, Hammer maker of Ambelcote, son of Elijah Baker, Roller,
-Joanna Baker m 1868 ..Joanna Baker 22 Spinster Dudley Elijah Baker Roller

and not once is he down as deceased
except on Mary Ann Bakers marriage which I have info on and will add

so looks like Mary Ann Webbs Baker b 1856 and Wm Baker maybe his too!
and On Mary Anns marriage he is deceased maybe they had had enuff of him by then! but still he is down as an iron roller
Mary Ann Baker 20 spinster Dudley Elijah Baker dead Sheet Iron Roller


But the death info looks good
Info from Marchesgirl member on forum re death certificate for an Elijah Baker transcript of the death certificate:
Elijah Baker died on 06-06-1881 at Waste Bank, Wollescote, aged 77 years. A Sheet Iron Roller, he died of Accidental Death by falling down stairs. The death was registered by a certificate from Ralph Docker, Coroner for Worcestershire, on 14-06-1881. The Inquest was held on 11th June 1881.


Free bmd
Deaths Jun 1881
Baker Elijah 77 Stourbridge 6c 92

Note Burial info checked at archives 8-2-13 by RF
St Mary Oldswinford
Elijah BAKER The Lye Buried 12 Jun 1881 age 77 yrs

So it is him on the death and Burial
but we cant find him betw censsus 1851 till death
I wonder if he changed his name?

and whose stairs did he fall down?
who found him if we can get a neighbours name from inquest we could find an address

Elijah's death certificate in 1881 just gives his address as Waste Bank, Wollescote. The informant column says that the death was registered by a certificate from Ralph Docker, Coroner. As far as I am aware, the inquest records no longer exist. The only other information I have is a brief report in the County Express for Saturday June 18th 1881, which says:

"THE RESULT OF DRINK "“ On Whit-Monday, Elijah Baker (77), sheet iron roller, Waste Bank, Lye, came home, after having been drinking, and going to bed he fell backwards upon the stairs and was killed instantaneously. "“ An inquest held last Saturday resulted in a verdict of Accidental Death".

This would seem to imply that Elijah died at his home but no clue as to exactly where that home was or who found his body .

There are only 2 Elijah Bakers on the 1851 Worcs Census Jan, the one you have born abt. 1811 Sheet Iron Roller and this one:-

Wordsley Green Kingswinford
Elijah Baker HD M 22 Coal Miner born Kingswinford
Mary Ann Wife 28 Kingswinford

I have a Newspaper Report on Ori (also called Uriah) Baker for 1864 where by afer a Pub fight between the Baker and Hill Families Ori hit Daniel Hill over the head with a brick and fractured his skull, Daniel later died and Ori was charged with Manslaughter, the article also said he had earlier nearly murdered a woman.

Linell.