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I think I was mistaken with thinking there were two Harry Coley Smiths in the one grave, I only had one number and two Harrys.

Halesowen and Leicester Families website has info on Harry Coley Smith died1942 age 75 he was the husband of Annie Coley Smith who died in 1920. She was Annie Halward before marriage. There was a large age gap in their ages between them which confused me.

I have checked Romsley and Hunnington History Society website and there were only two of them in grave no104

Name: Harry C Smith.
Birth Date: abt 1867.
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1942.
Age at Death: 75.
Registration district: Stourbridge.
Inferred County: Worcestershire.
Volume: 6c.
Page: 35.

Smith Harry Coley. of 50 St Kenelms Ave, Hasbury, Halesowen, Worcs, died 27 Sept 1842. Probate Birmingham, to Alice Syner (wife of Samuel Syner) and Martha Ingram spinster.
Effects £2256. 9s.

linell wrote:Hi Jimmy it was me not Mally. Just re-checked Ancestry, it says:- 1911 England Census Summary Books - Halesowen - Hagley Road Schedule 139 No 69 Mr H Smith Private House. 138 No 68 Grocers Shop Mrs Coley. Don't know if that is significant or not? Can't find them anywhere else. Linell.

Here you are Linell,
1911. 69 Hagley Road, Halesowen.
Henry Smith 74. Cow keeper and agricultual labourer.Clent, Worcestershire.
Emma Smith 72. Hasbury, Worcestershire.
Henry Smith 44. Son. Single. Gardener. Clent, Worcestershire.
Annie Smith 39. Dau. Single. Dairy maid. Clent, Worcestershire.

Married 47 years. 8 children only 4 alive.

linell wrote:Hi Jimmy it was me not Mally. Just re-checked Ancestry, it says:- 1911 England Census Summary Books - Halesowen - Hagley Road Schedule 139 No 69 Mr H Smith Private House. 138 No 68 Grocers Shop Mrs Coley. Don't know if that is significant or not? Can't find them anywhere else. Linell.

At no 68,
Sarah Coley.
Age in 1911: 74.
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837.
Relation to Head: Head.
Gender: Female.
Birth Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire.
Civil parish: Halesowen.
County/Island: Worcestershire.
Country: England.
Street Address: 68 Hagley Road, Halesowen.
Marital Status: Widowed.
Occupation: Old Age Pensioner.
Registration district: Stourbridge.
Registration District Number: 373.
Sub-registration district: Halesowen.
ED, institution, or vessel: 9.
Household schedule number: 138.
Piece: 17469.
Household Members:

Sarah Coley 74.
Joseph Toy 50.
Samuel Smith 70.

Not sure about this,
Marriages Dec 1863.
HILL Sarah. Bromsgrove. 6c. 739.
Perry Henry. Bromsgrove. 6c. 739.
Smith Henry. Bromsgrove. 6c. 739.
Willetts Emma. Bromsgrove. 6c. 739.

1901. Wall Well, Hasbury.
Richard Smith 64.
Sarah Smith 65.
Harry Smith 34. Son. Single. Warehouse ?. Hasbury, Worcestershire.
Joseph Smith 32.

1911. Hasbury.
Sarah Coley 74. Widow. Halesowen.
Harry Coley 44. Son. Single. Warehouse man, nail manager. . Hasbury.

13 children born, 12 still living.

Which all leads back to this,
1881. Hagley Road. Hasbury.
Richard Smith Coley 45. Nail factor.
Sarah S. Coley 44.
John S. Coley 17.
Harry S. Coley 14.
Joseph S. Coley 11.
Alice S. Coley 9.
Annie S. Coley 7..
Arthur S. Coley 4.
Walter S. Coley 1.
Felix Dotheridge 45.

1861. Hagley Road, Hasbury.
Richard Coley 27. Nailer.
Sarah Coley 24.
William Coley 6.
Jane Coley 4.
George Coley 3.
Thomas Coley 5 Weeks.
William Smith 60. Lodger.
Felix Detheridge 27.

Many thanks for looking all that up Jimmy, you should go to Church more often, brings out the best in you. Cheers from Lin.

Added most of that and amended a few bits re Richard and his father with notes.

Is this thread completed?

I haven't time at moment to go through this as my visitors have just arrived. Can you wait till I have had a look? One thing I have noticed is the probate was granted to Alice Syner - she is Harrys sister nee Alice Coley, Richard Coley Smiths daughter. From another relative I understand that Harry and Annie had no children ( hardly surprising as I think she was 61 when she got married), this would explain why his sister and brother in law were granted probate.
Thanks everyone for your hard work.

So is that Alices 2nd marriage

we may have it wrong with her marrying a Wm Brock?

1892
BROCK William COLEY Alice Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/006/274


1940
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SYNER Samuel SMITH Alice Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/05A/56

poss death
Deaths Jun 1922
Brock William 55 W.Bromwich 6b 759

do we think we can add in that 2nd marriage
wonder why she married as Smith if that is her? and not Brock

I undestand from relatives that Alice was married three times to

1 William Brock

2 Someone called Smith possibly this from BMD Alice Brock m W Smith West Brom 6b 1841 'Jun' 1925

3 Samuel Syner

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