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sp1 wrote:That's him Jo - this Hannah's husband from memory was from Lye but can't remember his name- must go and get some sleep now: will try and add details tomorrow.

I meant Benjamin/ Ellen/ Hannah Wooldridge above - you must have posted a few seconds before me!

grangers14 wrote:Added a Benjamin Downing who marriaed a Jane,
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =943802005

Marriage added to look ups.

Think his parents were Thomas & Mary

sp1 wrote:Thinking about it further there do seem to be four Benjamin's in 1851 census : the two Dudley ones, Benjamin/Elizabeth with children starting to be born in 1848 (so that Glos marriage still looks very likely) AND the Benjamin lodging together with Esther, both unmarried, so possibly brother and sister and therefore probably These are Josiahs children.

Jo/ NL - could you disconnect Benjamin who marries Elizabeth from Josiah - I really think we are dealing with a fourth Benjamin here. It's annoying me that much I might just order a cert for that Glos marriage unless we have a forum member in Gloucester who can do a lookup. Please leave Josiah with son Benjamin bapt 1813

Transcribed and looks like Willits
1851. Blackheath, Rowley Regis
Benjamin Willits, head, 50, Nailer
Lucy, wife 49, Nailer, Hayes? Staffordshire
Thomas, son, 20, Nailer
Hanah, daur, 17, Nailer
Zackriah, son, 14, Nailer
Alice, daur, 10
Lucy , daur,7
/Benjaman Downing, Lodger, U, 34
Ester Downing, Lodger, U, 30
All others born Rowley Regis

1861.Black heath, Rowley.
Benjamin Willetts, head, 59, nailor
Lucy Willetts, wife, 59, Tailoress, Stourbridge
Lucy Willetts, daur, 17
/Esther Downing, lodger, 42 un, Nailer
Richard Willetts, Lodger, W, 66, nailor,
All others born Rowley Regis

1871. High Street, Rowley Regis
Benjamin Willetts, head, 70, Nail maker, Rowley Regis
Lucy Willetts, Wife, 69, Tailoress, Quarry Bank
Esther Downing, Boarder, 53, Rowley Regis, Idiot
Lucy Willetts, grand child, 18, nailmaker, Rowley Regis

As Benjamin possibly married Nancy Willetts
JOSIAH DOWNING. NANCY WILLETS. Marriage: 15 APR 1804. Clent, Worcester,

Are Benjamin and Esher living with Uncle or other relative?

sp1 wrote:

sp1 wrote:Thinking about it further there do seem to be four Benjamin's in 1851 census : the two Dudley ones, Benjamin/Elizabeth with children starting to be born in 1848 (so that Glos marriage still looks very likely) AND the Benjamin lodging together with Esther, both unmarried, so possibly brother and sister and therefore probably These are Josiahs children.

Jo/ NL - could you disconnect Benjamin who marries Elizabeth from Josiah - I really think we are dealing with a fourth Benjamin here. It's annoying me that much I might just order a cert for that Glos marriage unless we have a forum member in Gloucester who can do a lookup. Please leave Josiah with son Benjamin bapt 1813

its annoying me now too!
cos I was the nutter that connected up!

JO do you want to disconnect or shall I
or shall I butt out

sp1 I am going through them all now and will add when I have updated each thing and change as I can.
May be you will check each one as I go through.

I do think that it is possible that as Benjamin and Esther are together in census with willetts family he is not the one who married Elizabeth.
Jo

grangers14 wrote:sp1 I am going through them all now and will add when I have updated each thing and change as I can.
May be you will check each one as I go through.

I do think that it is possible that as Benjamin and Esther are together in census with willetts family he is not the one who married Elizabeth.
Jo

I think the same - will go through what you alter and add what I can.
Wonder exactly what Esther's connection to the Willetts family was : she was with them for a long time!

Northern Lass wrote:

sp1 wrote:

sp1 wrote:Thinking about it further there do seem to be four Benjamin's in 1851 census : the two Dudley ones, Benjamin/Elizabeth with children starting to be born in 1848 (so that Glos marriage still looks very likely) AND the Benjamin lodging together with Esther, both unmarried, so possibly brother and sister and therefore probably These are Josiahs children.

Jo/ NL - could you disconnect Benjamin who marries Elizabeth from Josiah - I really think we are dealing with a fourth Benjamin here. It's annoying me that much I might just order a cert for that Glos marriage unless we have a forum member in Gloucester who can do a lookup. Please leave Josiah with son Benjamin bapt 1813

its annoying me now too!
cos I was the nutter that connected up!

JO do you want to disconnect or shall I
or shall I butt out

Disconnected.
Patience is a virtue

Northern Lass wrote:

sp1 wrote:

sp1 wrote:Thinking about it further there do seem to be four Benjamin's in 1851 census : the two Dudley ones, Benjamin/Elizabeth with children starting to be born in 1848 (so that Glos marriage still looks very likely) AND the Benjamin lodging together with Esther, both unmarried, so possibly brother and sister and therefore probably These are Josiahs children.

Jo/ NL - could you disconnect Benjamin who marries Elizabeth from Josiah - I really think we are dealing with a fourth Benjamin here. It's annoying me that much I might just order a cert for that Glos marriage unless we have a forum member in Gloucester who can do a lookup. Please leave Josiah with son Benjamin bapt 1813

its annoying me now too!
cos I was the nutter that connected up!

JO do you want to disconnect or shall I
or shall I butt out

LOL - it looked very plausible, but now think we need to look at that 1847 marriage to see who that Benjamin's father really was.

Which church is it in Gloucestershire?
wonder if the regis office would confirm name for you if you dropped them an email
say you only want it if father is Josiah then when they say it isnt you will know we were correct to disconnect
would save buying one

linell wrote:Don't know if this helps but Patience Clift on Census was Patience Johnson here:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... son-Family

1841. Blackheath, Rowley Regis
William Hipkiss, 40, Nailer
Sarah, 40,
Ann, 15,
Joseph, 15,
William, 13,
Emma, 10,
Enoch, 5
/Patience Clift, 80, not born in County
All others born in County

HTH Linell.

Thanks linell added here,
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =459788335

Theres
1841. Gosty Hill
Emanuel Parsons, 35, Nailer
Mariah, 35
/Ezeakiel Willetts, 45, Nailer
John Downing, 25, Nailer
Benjamin Lee, 20 Nailer
All born in County

Theres a Levi Downing on BCC from Gosty Hill
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=57610855

1841. Gosty Hill, Rowley Regis
Levi Downing, 30, Nailer
Ruth, 30,
Mary Ann, 2,
James, 9 months
Hannah, 15
All born County

family search marriage
Levi Downing
Ruth Parsons
31 Jan 1836 Clent,"‹ Worcester,"‹

I have added that marriage see if it helps.

Think I have added all I can

Think we need that Gloucester marriage to get any further.
Jo

grangers14 wrote:Added
Benjamin who married Ellen here on BCC.
Possible second marriage for him to Hannah Wooldridge?? Added to look ups.

Probabte
Benjamin Downing of 36 Oakeywell street Dudley Worcestershire, engineer died 16 January 1897 probate Worcester 25 February to Hannah Downing widow effects £65

??
Transcribed and looks like Downing has correction on Ancestry as Wooldridge
1891. 36, Oaker?well Street, Dudley
Benjamin Downing, head, 74, Watch Man
Hannah, wife, 55, Busbury? Staffordshire
John Wooldridge, son, 20, Hatter assistant
Edward Wooldridge, son, 19, Drapers assistant
Emma Wooldridge, daur, 16,
All others born Dudley

Jo - no need for lookup it's already been done and on BCC:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ing-Family

I have connected up Benjamin who married Ellen Sherwood to his earlier ancestors and added a few children that were missing in earlier generations. He has two lots of Downing ancestry - one of them via the Bate family, which I have added.