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started to add here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =625567208

Eel st and Whitehouses they ring a bell but cant see Wm already on Bcc.

So the name she puts on marriage of John Edwards prob made up?
see lots of that in look ups at Parish registers.

would like to see that marriage at Oldbury see if Mary Ann edwards is a spinster with father Joseph

I agree with all that, but the only fly in the ointment is Sarah's marriage certificate that shows her father as John Edwards.

Now it could be that as her father died around when she was born, that she has this wrong (she wasn't literate, signs with her mark on the marriage cert.)

The certificate is dated 16/10/1882 St Michael's Church Handsworth

William Henry Willits Age 25, Bachelor, Paper Hanger, Residence: West Bromwich, Father: John Willits, Brewer
Sarah Edwards Age 22, Spinster, Residence: Handsworth, Father: John Edwards, Miner
Banns W G Garland, Curate
Witnesses: Robert Thompson, Emma Preston

Crossed over on the posts!

p.s.
Our surname moved between Willits & Willetts over various records

tomwbhx wrote:I agree with all that, but the only fly in the ointment is Sarah's marriage certificate that shows her father as John Edwards.

Now it could be that as her father died around when she was born, that she has this wrong (she wasn't literate, signs with her mark on the marriage cert.)

The certificate is dated 16/10/1882 St Michael's Church Handsworth

William Henry Willits Age 25, Bachelor, Paper Hanger, Residence: West Bromwich, Father: John Willits, Brewer
Sarah Edwards Age 22, Spinster, Residence: Handsworth, Father: John Edwards, Miner
Banns W G Garland, Curate
Witnesses: Robert Thompson, Emma Preston

I have seen quite a few where they put anyname for the father so not always true what they write down on certif.
If that is her mother It will be interesting to see if mother is a spinster.

The other thought I have had is that Sarah, would appear to be born 32 years after Mary Ann & Joseph were married, not uncommon, but perhaps Sarah might be the daughter of Mary Ann, b1830, so the original Mary Ann's grand-daughter?

Good fun this!

tomwbhx wrote:The other thought I have had is that Sarah, would appear to be born 32 years after Mary Ann & Joseph were married, not uncommon, but perhaps Sarah might be the daughter of Mary Ann, b1830, so the original Mary Ann's grand-daughter?

Good fun this!

Yes I think that Sarah is dau of Mary Ann Edwards who marries Wm whitehouse
she prob wasnt married so maybe father made up on certif or maybe John edwards is father but they never married
and Mary Ann b 1830ish is dau of Joseph edwards and Mary ann Grigg

does that sound about right

Ok here is marriage info courtesy of Rockyfowler thanks RF

2 Nov 1863 Christ Church Oldbury
William WHITEHOUSE 40 B Black-Smith Hales-Owen-Street Father John Whitehouse Boat Loader
Mary Ann EDWARDS 33 S Hales-Owen-Street Father Joseph Edwards Boat Man
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; John Hill/ Mary Ann Hipkin


so Mary ann edwards is a spinster

All I can say is thanks again, achieved more in half a day, than in 2 years! Pity won't be able to find my Great Great Grandfather down this route, but at least I've discovered the Griggs connection and GGG Grandfather Joseph Edwards

tomwbhx wrote:All I can say is thanks again, achieved more in half a day, than in 2 years! Pity won't be able to find my Great Great Grandfather down this route, but at least I've discovered the Griggs connection and GGG Grandfather Joseph Edwards

Good this one think we have a deep seam of connections on this lot thanks for posting!

can we find Mary ann and Joseph on 1841 pls

and bapt for Daniel Grigg and Mary Ann Grigg

and any bapt for Joseph edwards with poss wits on marriage as sib?/mother father?
Halesowen. St Johns.7 May 1826.
Joseph EDWARDS. Otp. Bachelor.
Mary Ann GRIGG. Otp. Spinster.
Witnesses.
William EDWARDS and Mary EDWARDS.

Poss,
1841. Lown Town, Oldbury, Shropshire.
Joseph Edwards 35. Boatman.
Mary Edwards 30.
Mary Edward 15.
Sarah Edward 13.
William Edward 11.
Phoebe Edward 7.
Ellen Edward 2.

All born in County.

Thanks added most now

will start new thread for Griggs

Is this now Completed?
flagging to archive unless you need any more on Sarah

Northern Lass wrote:

tomwbhx wrote:All I can say is thanks again, achieved more in half a day, than in 2 years! Pity won't be able to find my Great Great Grandfather down this route, but at least I've discovered the Griggs connection and GGG Grandfather Joseph Edwards

Good this one think we have a deep seam of connections on this lot thanks for posting!

can we find Mary ann and Joseph on 1841 pls

and bapt for Daniel Grigg and Mary Ann Grigg

and any bapt for Joseph edwards with poss wits on marriage as sib?/mother father?
Halesowen. St Johns.7 May 1826.
Joseph EDWARDS. Otp. Bachelor.
Mary Ann GRIGG. Otp. Spinster.
Witnesses.
William EDWARDS and Mary EDWARDS.

Just wondered if this showed the Fathers name for Joseph? I'm having trouble tracking this down

Thanks
Tom

Northern Lass wrote:Thanks added most now

will start new thread for Griggs

Is this now Completed?
flagging to archive unless you need any more on Sarah

Yes the query for Sarah can be closed, I'm sure I'll get stuck again though!

Thanks
Tom

No fathers are shown before late 1837.