Joseph & Ellen Moore ARC TBC?

[Sharon]

Nearly Peter-that's the one I've ordered and am "awaiting"....

[Sharon]

Marriage cert. arrived today...
Joseph Moore, aged 32, bachelor, Waggoner, living at Westhide, Herefordshire, son of William Moore, farm labourer married Ellen Davis, 26, spinster, no profession, no father named, also of Westhide, at hereford register office on 5th October 1862. Witnesses were Richard & Mary parker...

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Marriage cert. arrived today...
Joseph Moore, aged 32, bachelor, Waggoner, living at Westhide, Herefordshire, son of William Moore, farm labourer married Ellen Davis, 26, spinster, no profession, no father named, also of Westhide, at hereford register office on 5th October 1862. Witnesses were Richard & Mary parker...

john and joseph poss brothers and ellen (davis) is the sister in law on death cert

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poss john & harriett no joseph


1841 Cook home ? Stoke Lacey

William Edwards 30 farmer
Mary Edwards 25
Mary Edwards 3
Elizabeth Davids 17
Harriet Moore 4 (looks 17 on image)
John Moore 19 ag lab
George Tippin 12

could elizabeth be elizabeth davis ? sister to ellen ?

what mary maiden name ?

Stoke Lacey and Westhide only 5 mile apart ?

[Sharon]

Thanks for staying with me Peter!
John Moore-you have been haunting my dreams for years! Just when I thought I had a breakthrough-another puzzle!
I still can't link John & Joseph Moore..
I thought "Elizabeth Davids" looked like "Davis" on the 1841 census. (I thought Cook Home was Cook Lane, so what do I know!)
This places her birth at Much Cowarne.. there are several Davis there in 1841, but no Ellen...

I've had no luck finding Mary's maiden name....

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poss john & harriett no joseph


1841 Cook home ? Stoke Lacey

William Edwards 30 farmer
Mary Edwards 25
Mary Edwards 3
Elizabeth Davids 17
Harriet Moore 4 (looks 17 on image)
John Moore 19 ag lab
George Tippin 12

poss

1851; hunwick rd ? st johns, Bedwardine , worcester

William Edwards 42 farm labourer, Kingsland, Herefordshire
Mary Edwards 32 Lentwardine, Herefordshire
Mary Edwards 12 Grendon, Herefordshire
James Edwards 7 Bringard, Herefordshire
Joseph Edwards 6 Kingsland, Herefordshire
Elizabeth Edwards 3 West Bromwich, Staffordshire

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looking like ellen, elizabeth and mary are sister ?


poss marriage

William Edwards
Mary Davies
Marriage 29 Jun 1836 Croft,Hereford,England

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13874-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 1040009
Reference Number:

[Northern Lass]

Thanks for staying with me Peter!
John Moore-you have been haunting my dreams for years! Just when I thought I had a breakthrough-another puzzle!
I still can't link John & Joseph Moore..
I thought "Elizabeth Davids" looked like "Davis" on the 1841 census. (I thought Cook Home was Cook Lane, so what do I know!)
This places her birth at Much Cowarne.. there are several Davis there in 1841, but no Ellen...

I've had no luck finding Mary's maiden name....

Hi Sharon
when you suss it out can you add what you think to Bcc if you get a min
and that marriage info you have if it is the joseph on Bcc if you can add that in Josephs notes and the brides notes
that would be great

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poss john & harriett no joseph


1841 Cook home ? Stoke Lacey

William Edwards 30 farmer
Mary Edwards 25 (nee davies)
Mary Edwards 3
Elizabeth Davids 17 Poss davis
Harriet Moore 4 (looks 17 on image)
John Moore 19 ag lab
George Tippin 12

Marriage cert. arrived today...
Joseph Moore, aged 32, bachelor, Waggoner, living at Westhide, Herefordshire, son of William Moore, farm labourer married Ellen Davis, 26, spinster, no profession, no father named, also of Westhide, at hereford register office on 5th October 1862. Witnesses were Richard & Mary parker...

so what we could do with is some bap for the above to confirm the davis are sister and john and joseph are brother is harriet moore john wife or sister ?

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john poss bap


John Moore
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 Dec 1820
Baptism/Christening Place: Upper Sapey, Hereford, England
Father's Name: William Moore
Mother's Name: Elizabeth


harriet his sister in 1841 census ?

Harriet Moore
Baptism/Christening Date: 09 Oct 1822
Baptism/Christening Place: Upper Sapey, Hereford, England
Father's Name: William Moore
Mother's Name: Elizabeth


we know joseph father is william from marriage cert is him mother elizabeth ?


also from 1871 census

In 1871 the family, including husband Joseph, are living at Ocle Pitchard (lovely! sounds like a childrens t.v. programme!), Kyming & Hawbury Barn, Herfordshire.
Ellen stated as born c 1840 at Bishop Frome, Hereford. Her husband Joseph at Upper Sapey, Worcs about 1822. ?
In 1861 Joseph a servant, single, at Cowarne Court, Much Cowarne, hereford

marriage cert says age 32 married 1862 so born c 1830 ?

[Sharon]

Thanks NL & Peter..
John & Harriet are siblings, hopefully trying to prove Joseph is too..
Still have the Davis girls to sort...

What I'd REALLY like is to find is a baptism for Joseph Moore...had found Harriet & John's baptisms when I went to
Bromyard..if Joseph IS their brother, then he wasn't baptised at Upper Sapey like John & Harriet...but then they did seem to move around herefordshire villages quite a bit (just as you would expect ag. labs. to do..)
Thanks for pointing out the D.O.B. discrepancy for Joseph (his brother John was just as confusing on census'!)
Joseph's marriage makes d.o.b. 1830, 1861 & 1871 cenus have him circa 1821 ..maybe that's why I cant find baptism...

NL, as I can't prove John & Joseph are brothers, do you want me to add Joseph/Ellen's notes to John Moore's, as I have done previously?
..have found other Moore family info recently (parish/census) would you like me to add, let you know first, or post on here, asI know certain people add to BCC.. I live in fear & dread of doing it incorrectly!

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1841 betly staffordshire

William Moore 55 ag lab
Elizabeth Moore 52
Ann Moore 15
Joseph Moore 11
John Moore 9
Charles Moore 9
all born in county

william and elizabeth old enough to have children older than ann ?

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two house up

1841 betly staffordshire

George Moore 25 ag labourer
Dinah Moore 27
Myra Moore 5
Hannah Moore 4
William Moore 9 Mo
Myra Moore 25
all born in county

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poss not them

Joseph Moore
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 Mar 1830
Baptism/Christening Place: BETLEY,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date: 20 Apr 1842
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Moore
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01043-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 426484

is ODM extracted ? or submitted ?

[Northern Lass]

I dont know if Odm or easy is submitted or extracted Pete

if you go via Hugh Wallis it should be extracted shouldnt it?