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1861. Re Cow Yard, West Bromwich.
William Hunter 28. Coal miner. Fainsden, Gloucestershire.
Eliza Hunter 24.
John Hunter 4. Son.
Sarah Hunter 5. Dau.
William Hunter 3. Son.
Phebe Hunter 1. Dau.
John Payne 53. Lodger. Widow. Coal miner. Tweedale, Worcestershire.

Others born West Bromwich.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1854.
HUNTER William. MILLS Eliza. West Bromwich, All Saints. Sandwell Register Office. 22/6/404.

dianel wrote:1841 at Crone hills, Beale St., West Bromwich
Mary Payne 40
Joseph Mills 14
Willm. Mills 10
John Payne 8
/Jackoniah Mills 10
Eliza Mills 5
All born in county

1851 at Bull Lane, West Bromwich
John Payne Head 45 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Tividale
Mary Payne Wife 55 b. Worcs., Dudley
Mary Haring Daur Wid 29 b. Staffs., Tipton
Phebe Haring Granddaur 8 b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Eliza Mills Granddaur 17 b. Staffs., Darlaston

do we think this is the same Mary Mills in 1841 and 1851 ?
and the same John in 1851 and 1861?

where is John then in 1841 pls

and are there any bapts for the kids in the census pls

I think we have 2 families

I have looked up some marriages and bapts

Adrian if you looking in....

I have looked up 2 bapts
-Zachariah/Jechoniah /or John whatever his name is.....if that is him father Daniel is a carpenter on bapt

-Mary Ann father is a Carpenter
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =471070966

I still need to recheck these marriages but I think they may be different Marys
11 July 1825 St Thomas Dudley
Daniel Mills otp bach
Mary Bott otp spinster
banns
Both signed
Wit - X Ann Bott Edward Mills

Adding this in as a poss....

marriage looked up by Jan 21-6-12
23 Sept 1828 St Thomas Dudley
John Pane otp bach
Mary Mills otp widow
X both
Wit - Wm Lewis /?? Webb?


Then if this is Mary with Jeconiah son
1841 at Crone hills, Beale St., West Bromwich
Mary Payne 40
Joseph Mills 14
Willm. Mills 10
John Payne 8
/Jackoniah Mills 10
Eliza Mills 5
All born in county

that would fit that bapt I looked up earlier for Eliza
Daniel died
Eliza illegitimage

I dont think this Mary marries John Payne

The reason is that the Mary dau here I have looked up marriage and her father is an Edward miner

1851 at Bull Lane, West Bromwich
John Payne Head 45 Coal Miner b. Staffs., Tividale
Mary Payne Wife 55 b. Worcs., Dudley
Mary Haring Daur Wid 29 b. Staffs., Tipton
Phebe Haring Granddaur 8 b. Staffs., West Bromwich
Eliza Mills Granddaur 17 b. Staffs., Darlaston

So not the Mary Ann Mills here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =136048003

Name: Mary Mills
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Mar 1819
Baptism/Christening Place: TIPTON,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Edward Mills
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01009-3
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 435871, 435872
Reference Number:

Deaths Jun 1844
HERRING John W Bromwich 18 375

I think the one with Mary ann and Jechoniah is one family

Then the one that marries John Payne could be this one

Groom's Name: Edward Mills
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Mary Lees
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 19 Jul 1802
Marriage Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04014-4
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 378762, 378763, 378764, 378765, 378766, 378767, 378768, 378769, 378770
Reference Number:

Split it up on Bcc

This looks like one family

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =301034630

and this t'other
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =796701596

Looks like the Eliza Mills on 1851 g.dau could be born abt 1836/7
she is 18 on marriage in 1854 and 24 on 1861

If Mary is her mother (dau of Edward and Mary)
Mary is 21 on marriage in 1841 so b abt 1820
so possible that she has Eliza mills out of wedlock.

I am done with this one for now

so going to archive