I have been posting on roots and searching for my next ancestor in line and hopefully his parents. I will outline what I/we have so far in the hope that a fresh pair of eyes may be able help a little. I am searching for my GG grandfather. Then hopefully to his parents. I have identified him various censuses. 1901,1891 & 1881 has Joseph Tipping along with his wife Mary Ann Williams and children namely John my G grandfather. All living in Birmingham. Joseph's birthplace is noted as Upton upon Severn. 1871 & 1861 I find Joseph with parents William & Eliza residing in Upton upon Severn Now things start to turn I have Eliza and some children in Upton in both 1851 & 1841 censuses, but no William. The 1851 even states Eliza as widow, but I think I have William on both censuses but in Marylebone, London This I find puzzling, I have a christening on IGI for another of the children giving both Eliza and William as parents. The christening is in 1844 whereas Eliza is called a widow in 1851 census. I then find her again in 1861 with William
In trying to pin down Joseph I am struggling. I have a christening from IGI but it shows no father?
JOSEPH TIPPEN Christening: 01 SEP 1849 Upton On Severn, Worcester Mother: ELIZA TIPPEN
Regarding a birth index all I've come across so far is an un-named male but as yet no corresponding death index that I can see.
. Births Sep 1849 (>99%) TIPPING Male Upton upon Severn 18 503
There is also a female un-named with the same index.
Regarding the widow bit -- this was sometimes a respectability thing when they had children but weren't living with the father.
I have a couple living apart in which he thinks he is married (living with his mother!) and she states widowed (living with the children)
Maybe William wandered off and then decided the grass was greener where he had come from -- the women would have had little option but to take back wayward husbands at that time
Eliza is in the Upton Upon Severn workhouse with three children in the 1841 census.
1841 census transcription details for: Upton Union Workhouse, Upton Upon Severn National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1206 Book/Folio: 6/42 Page: 4
Reg. District: Upton upon Severn Sub District: Upton upon Severn Parish: Upton upon Severn Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Upton Union Workhouse, Upton Upon Severn County: Worcestershire Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TIPPIN, Eliza F 30 1811 Worcestershire TIPPIN, Willm M 6 1835 Worcestershire TIPPIN, Eliza F 4 1837 Worcestershire TIPPIN, George M 2 1839 Worcestershire
Baptisms for two of the children in the workhouse.
Name: William Tipping Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 07 Jun 1835 Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT MARYS,HANLEY CASTLE,WORCESTER,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Tipping Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Eliza Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04216-1 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 465263 Reference Number: Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Eliza Tippin Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 16 Apr 1837 Baptism/Christening Place: POWICK,WORCESTER,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Tippin Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Eliza Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02333-1 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 350875 Reference Number: Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Her first born, Thomas, not in the workhouse but living with his grandparents.
Reg. District: Upton upon Severn Sub District: Hanley Castle Parish: Hanley Castle Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Gilbert's End, Hanley Castle County: Worcestershire Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born BULLOCK, Thomas M 55 1786 Worcestershire BULLOCK, Betty F 49 1792 Worcestershire HANDY, John M 77 1764 Worcestershire TIPPIN, Thomas M 8 1833 Worcestershire
Thomas' Baptism
Name: Thomas Tippin Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 18 Feb 1834 Baptism/Christening Place: POWICK,WORCESTER,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Tippin Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Eliza Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02333-1 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 350875 Reference Number: Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
This relationship is shown in the 1851 census.
1851 census transcription details for: Gilbertsend, Hanley Castle National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2043 Folio: 211 Page: 32 Reg. District: Upton upon Severn Sub District: Hanley Castle Parish: Hanley Castle Enum. District: 7A Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Gilbertsend, Hanley Castle County: Worcestershire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born BULLOCK, Thomas Head Married M 62 1789 Farm Labourer Castlemorton Worcestershire BULLOCK, Elizabeth Wife Married F 56 1795 Hanley Castle Worcestershire HANDY, John Father-In-Law Widower M 86 1765 Pauper Ripple Worcestershire TIPPIN, Thomas Grand Son M 17 1834 Labourer Powick Worcestershire
For some reason, the George in the 1841 and 1851 census gets baptised when about 5 years of age...
Name: George Tippin Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 14 Apr 1844 Baptism/Christening Place: KEMPSEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Tippin Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Eliza Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04389-1 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 415130 Reference Number: Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Looking at the rest of the family on the 1851 census....
1851 census transcription details for: Court Street Coffin Row, Upton, Upton Upon Severn National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2043 Folio: 489 Page: 32
Reg. District: Upton upon Severn Sub District: Upton upon Severn Parish: Upton Enum. District: 9D Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Upton upon Severn Address: Court Street Coffin Row, Upton, Upton Upon Severn County: Worcestershire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born TIPPIN, Eliza Head Widow F 41 1810 Malvern Worcestershire TIPPIN, Eliza Duaghter F 14 1837 Powick Worcestershire TIPPIN, George Son M 11 1840 Part ST Worcestershire TIPPIN, John Son M 8 1843 Stoke Worcestershire TIPPIN, Mary A Daughter F 8 1843 Stoke Worcestershire TIPPIN, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1845 Upton Worcestershire TIPPIN, Joseph Son M 1 1850 Upton Worcestershire
THe other sibling on the census are:
Name: John Tippin Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Sep 1842 Baptism/Christening Place: SEVERN STOKE,WORCESTER,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Tippin Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Eliza Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02239-1 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 246714 Reference Number: Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mary Anne Tippin Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Sep 1842 Baptism/Christening Place: SEVERN STOKE,WORCESTER,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Tippin Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Eliza Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02239-1 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 246714 Reference Number: Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: George Tippin Gender: Male Baptism/Christening Date: 14 Apr 1844 Baptism/Christening Place: KEMPSEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Tippin Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Eliza Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04389-1 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 415130 Reference Number: Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Elizabeth Tippin Gender: Female Baptism/Christening Date: 26 May 1844 Baptism/Christening Place: UPTON ON SEVERN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: William Tippin Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Eliza Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05411-1 System Origin: England-ODM Source Film Number: 942934 Reference Number: Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
I would say that Joseph's parents William Tippin(g) and Eliza Bullock.
His grandparants are Thomas Bullock and Elizabeth (Betty) Handy.
His Great Grandfather is John Handy.
That was a quick look but should be enough for you to sort the rest out.
Eliza may claim to be a widow in 1851 if she was abandoned by Willaim for some years.
Many thanks for your "quick look". The census results are the ones I have, apart from the grandparents record. I have also a couple of the christenings you have sourced. So thanks for the set I notice that all the christenings name William as the father. That is all except the one I want to say it, Joseph's Hopefully now with with Eliza's grandparents names I may be able to find a marriage somewhere.
Looking thru familysearch, Ancestry freebmd ect doesn't give me any hits at all for a marriage between a William Tippin(g) and Eliza Bullock or various other permutations. So I wonder if you could advise me on what/where is the best place to search next to try to source the details.
Forgive my ignorance, as I've only recently started. Am I right in thinking that I would need to visit Worcester Library and History Centre to search thru the films there. Not a problem if so as I'm in Birmingham so not a major distance away.
