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[pr0xibus]

Morning Ladies and gents.

Whilst searching the BIRTH records for dumfries at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/.

in the 1855 - 1860 search for WOODMAN i seem to find either errors or double entries.
Now for example.
Joseph Woodman was born 1865 but the looking at his marriage records it says he was married in 1891 and was 24 my calculations BAD albeit say he should have been born in 1867. Also their is another entry for a joseph woodman born in 1860, Now their is another jospeh in the family which is Young joseph's dad but i dont think he would be 4 years old when his son was born.

can anyone shed any light on possible errors

Thanks

Nathan

[snoopysue]

There are quite often errors for birth dates, as people weren't always sure when they were born, enumerators errors, transcription errors, etc.
There could also be other members of the family in the area, cousins uncles etc with the same names as the people you're looking for, or even other unrelated people who have the same name.
Sometimes I've been quite suprised how many people have, what I thourght would be, an uncommon surname!

[pr0xibus]

Thanks for a quick reply.

Yes errors seem too come with age's mostly on the Marriages section.

i have a a great grandfather that was born 1906, married 1932 which would make him 26 but on the sertificate it says he is 24 lol, i dont know which one to believe, weather the marriage guy was right or should i believe the birth certificate. i would tend more to believe the birth certificate but at 26 im sure he would have known how old he was lol

[snoopysue]

Thanks for a quick reply.

Yes errors seem too come with age's mostly on the Marriages section.

i have a a great grandfather that was born 1906, married 1932 which would make him 26 but on the sertificate it says he is 24 lol, i dont know which one to believe, weather the marriage guy was right or should i believe the birth certificate. i would tend more to believe the birth certificate but at 26 im sure he would have known how old he was lol

They didn't think so much as to how old they were then, I'd tend to go by a birth certificate too, but census details are quite often innacurate. I look at the other members in the household, if they all match up, then you're on safer ground. It's also always advisable to look at the original image as transcriptions can be innacurate too. Sometimes it's obvious that it's either done by a machine or someone who has their head under their arm!
There are also other annomalies, as adopted children can be down as son/daughter in law! It's always advisable to use several sources to check if you're on the right track.

[pr0xibus]

your certainly up early for the quick replies so thanks.

So far im using the scotlandspeople.gov.uk for all details seems to be the only place i can look for anything to do with scotland, everything is in cursive so im assuimg its all original so it certainly is a challenge. This is my very first time doing something like this and inteh 12 hours ive done it i have found family members back to 1700's from a long line of fisherman "shame im scared of water lol"

[snoopysue]

your certainly up early for the quick replies so thanks.

So far im using the scotlandspeople.gov.uk for all details seems to be the only place i can look for anything to do with scotland, everything is in cursive so im assuimg its all original so it certainly is a challenge. This is my very first time doing something like this and inteh 12 hours ive done it i have found family members back to 1700's from a long line of fisherman "shame im scared of water lol"

Sounds like you're doing well!!

[pr0xibus]

I hope so. the only thing i can find comfort in is all the Woodmans in Dumfries i can pretty much trace back to us And their's alot, so its a start.

thanks for your help again

Cheers

Nathan

[snoopysue]

Any time, just shout if you need any help, there's loads of people on here who've got loads more experience than I have, and are willing to point people in the right direction!

[grangers14]

Looking at the trancriptions of the census.
there are 2 Joseph Woodmans.
1881.
1860 Annan, Wife, Mary

1866 Annan, Parents Joseph and Margaret

1871.
1861. Annan, parents William and Jane
1865. Annan, parents Joseph and Margaret

Filtering down on Scotlands people there was one birth in 1860 and another in 1865

The other Joseph belongs to another family.

Is your Joseph Sr born England?
Jo

[pr0xibus]

thanks grangers14 TBH i dont actually know if were english descent "woodman sounds english " but what i have so far at the top of the tree is

the most senior joseph is from the 1961 census he was 24 at the time so i well just worked backwards lol

joseph Woodman (1837c - 1924) - Margaret Woodman (c1847) havent found a date for margaret yet
They had 2 sons so far
joseph Woodman(1865 - 1931) and Thomas Woodman(1881-1945ish)
Thomas married Elizabeth Scott(c1884) married in 1903
they had a son called
john Scott Woodman(1906 - 1943)

john scott woodman dies in 1943 (apparently fell over board on a minesweeper in scapa flow) his father thomas dies a few years afterwards by drowning at allenby)

but being brand new to this geneology im bloody sure i have messed up somewhere

I would like to say once again thanks grangers for doing a little research for me. i think just jumping in it like i did, it can become confusing

[grangers14]

Have you searched them on census too?
I'll have a little look.
Jo

[pr0xibus]

unfortunalty no more credits till tomorrow, the other half is complaining. But i will certainly do alot more work tomorrow.

Appreciate it alot grangers14

[snoopysue]

unfortunalty no more credits till tomorrow, the other half is complaining. But i will certainly do alot more work tomorrow.

Appreciate it alot grangers14

Other halfs tend to do that!!

[grangers14]

Does this seem right from what you have so far?

I dont have credit either but this is just from Transcriptions only.

1871. Port Street Annan Dumfriesshire
Joseph Woodman, head, 26, Fisherman, born England
Margaret, wife, 26,
Joseph, son, 6,
Hugh, son, 4
Margaret A Bitte, daur, 1 month (??)
Jane, daur, daur, 7 month
All others born Annan

1881 Port Street Annan
Joseph Woodman, head, 36, Fisherman England
Margaret Woodman, Wife, 35
Joseph Woodman, son, 15, Fisherman
Hugh Woodman, son, 13, Fisherman
Maggie A Woodman, daur, 11
Jane Woodman, daur, 9
John Woodman, son, 5
Susamah Woodman, daur, 3
Thomas Woodman, son, 3 MO
All others born Annan

1891. Kenziels, Annan
Jno Joseph Woodman, head, 46, Fisherman England
Margaret Woodman, wife, 45
Hugh Woodman, son, 23, Fisherman
Susannah Woodman, daur, 14, Apprentice Dressmaker
John Woodman, son, 16
Thomas Woodman, son, 10
Eleanor Woodman, daur, 7
All others born Annan

1901. Lower Kenziels, Annan
Joseph Woodman, head, 36, Fisherman (? should be 56? but does say birth date 1865)
Margaret Woodman, wife, 56
John Weedman, son, 24, no employment (it says imalid I pressume should be invalid)
Thomas Woodman, son, 20, Fisherman

[grangers14]

unfortunalty no more credits till tomorrow, the other half is complaining. But i will certainly do alot more work tomorrow.

Appreciate it alot grangers14

Im sure you will get much more ear ache then!
This is far too addictive you know!

Scotlands people can be expensive so you need to try and narrow things down more before you spend a credit! Saying that the Scottish records offer much more than you get on English ones.
Jo