Povey Family of Ladywood

[dudleylad]

Im looking for more information of the relatives past and present of my future father in law

His father was Arthur Basil Povey born 12 September 1912 who married Gladys Cooper in 1941

Arthurs father was called Hubert Povey born 17th September 1887 at Western Road Workhouse,he married Lily Jones born 1892 in 1910

I have tracked Lilys family I believe but the birth certificate gives his mother as an Harriett Povey from West Bromwich (I have found who I believe to be her) but no father is on the birth certificate so im more inclined to believe he was illegitimate even though on his wedding certificate he gives his fathers name as Arthur Povey

Hubert is living with a family called the Humpages in 1891 and in 1901 (infact his surname is down as Humpage in 1901 living in Icknield Port Road (the same address given on his marriage certificate)

Any help would be appreciate

Hubert and Lily also worked on the fairs I believe from time to time and he also may have been known as Reuben

[peterd]

what about this ? what if they were travelling people fallen on hard time ? went into the workhouse to have the kid ?


POVEY Arthur DAVIES Harriet 1884 Chester, St John Cheshire Cheshire West CE13/11/358

[dudleylad]

Thats very interesting Peter I shall look into this, thanks very much

All I have is his mother as Harriett Povey either as a workhouse of warehousewoman of West Bromwich

[dudleylad]

I think ive found that Harriett and Arthur on the 1891 census hes an engine driver so perhaps not

But your theory could be correct

The Harriett I have found lived in West Bromwich with mother and sisters her mother was a caretaker of a church

We always thought the fairground side were on Lily Jones side but we can find the evidence there as her father etc were all chain and brickmakers

[mallosa]

Hubert is living with a family called the Humpages in 1891 and in 1901 (infact his surname is down as Humpage in 1901 living in Icknield Port Road (the same address given on his marriage certificate)

I know this isn't any help but hey! what a coincidence.....

1901:
Hubert age 14 was living at no 203 Icknield Port Road
and my Grandmother Clara Fradley age 13 was living at 6bk of 206

I wonder if they knew each other.............

[dudleylad]

What a coincidence, it stands a chance they did know each other it was a tight knit community in them days by the sounds of it.

We have great problem with my fiancees dads side trying to seperate close friends from family as his mom always refered to everyone as family

[Alec]

the birth certificate gives his mother as an Harriett Povey from West Bromwich (I have found who I believe to be her) but no father is on the birth certificate so im more inclined to believe he was illegitimate even though on his wedding certificate he gives his fathers name as Arthur Povey

It appears he definitely was illegitimate registered in the mother's surname.

It was not uncommon for illegitimate persons to 'invent' a father when they married to avoid shame

[Alec]

Something doesn't quite add up

1881

Joseph Humpage 35
Bessie Humpage 35
Emma Humpage 13
Alice Humpage 9
Thos. Humpage 7
Elizth. Humpage 4
Edward Humpage Younger Than 1 year
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Births Dec 1887

Povey Hubert Birmingham 6d 168
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1891

Joseph Humpage Head 70 Widower
Emma Arie Daughter 38 Married
Charles Foster LODGER 50
Hubert Povey LODGER 3
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Marriages Jun 1900

Foster Emma W. Bromwich 6b 1431
Humpage James W. Bromwich 6b 1431
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1901

James Humpage Head 58
Emma Humpage Wife 49
Hubert Humpage SON 14

[dudleylad]

Alec, you can see why its confusing

[Jimmy]

Marriages Jun 1900.
Bistance Annie. W. Bromwich 6b 1431.
Connop Frank. W. Bromwich 6b 1431.
Foster Emma. W. Bromwich 6b 1431.
Humpage James. W. Bromwich 6b 1431.

[Jimmy]

1891.

Joseph Humpage 70
Emma Arie 38
Charles Foster 50
Hubert Povey 3

Do's it say if she is single married or widow.

[Alec]

Hi Jimmy

Yes it rather seems as if EMMA was the mother not Harriet Is this the birth certificate you have?

Births Dec 1887

Povey Hubert Birmingham 6d 168
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[Jimmy]

Could this be the Arthur Povey on his wedding certificate. he would have only been about 13 at the time of Huberts birth.

1881.
Charles POVEY. Head M Male 37 Aston, Warwick, Iron Bedstead Tube Finisher.
Emily M. POVEY. Wife M Female 33 Aston, Warwick, Steel Pen Piercer.
Mary Ann E. POVEY. Dau Female 12 Aston, Warwick, Scholar
Charles POVEY. Son Male 11 Aston, Warwick, Scholar
Fanny POVEY. Dau Female 9 Aston, Warwick, Scholar
Arthur Hy. POVEY. Son Male 7 Aston, Warwick, Scholar.
Florence E. POVEY. Dau Female 4 Aston, Warwick,
Ada Charlotte POVEY. Dau Female 1 Aston, Warwick,
George POVEY. Son Male 1 m Aston, Warwick,

Dwelling 3 Court 17 Gt Lister St
Census Place Aston, Warwick,

[dianel]

1851 - House 47,............... , Birmingham
Joseph Humphage Head 34 Bedstead maker b. Warks., Birmingham
Sarah Humphage Wife 31 b. Warks., Birmingham
Joseph Humphage Son 5 b. Warks., Birmingham
Edward Humphage Son 16 Mo b. Warks., Birmingham

1861 - 12 Court, 2nd house. Slaney St., Birmingham
Joseph Humpge Head 44 Cabinet Maker b. Warks., Birmingham
Sarah Humpge Wife 42 b. Warks., Birmingham
John Humpage Son 19 Glass Cutter b. Warks., Birmingham
Joseph Humpage Son 15 Gun Polisher b. Warks., Birmingham
Edward Humpage Son 11 Gun Polisher b. Warks., Birmingham
Emma Humpage Daur 9 Scholar b. Warks., Birmingham
Fredrick Humpage Son 6 Scholar b. Warks., Birmingham
Elizabeth Humpage Daur 3 Scholar b. Warks., Birmingham
Cathrine Humpage Daur 1 b. Warks., Birmingham

1871 -
Joseph Humpage Head 55 Beadsted Maker b. Warks., Birmingham
Sarah Humpage Wife 52 b. Warks., Birmingham
Joseph Humpage Son 25 Gun Maker b. Warks., Birmingham
Elizabeth Humpage Daur-in-law 24 Unemployed b. Warks., Birmingham
Emma Humpage Daur 19 General Servant b. Warks., Birmingham
Frederick Humpage Son 16 Hinge maker b. Warks., Birmingham
Elizabeth Humpage Daur 13 Lamp maker b. Warks., Birmingham
Maria Humpage Daur 8 b. Warks., Birmingham
Emma Humpage Daur 4 b. Warks., Birmingham Think this is daughter of Joseph jr and Elizabeth (Bessie)
Mary Ann Humpage Daur 2 b. Warks., Birmingham

1872 Marriage:
Emma Humpage 1872 Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire
James Ure 1872 Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire

1881 - 20 Ct. 3 house, Hill St., Birmingham
James Ure Head 30 Porter (General) b. Birmingham
Emma Ure Wife 29 Press Worker b. Birmingham
Mary A. Ure Daur 13 Brass-headed Nail maker b. Birmingham
Maria Humpage Sister 18 Enamel Worker b. Birmingham
Ruth Walker Boarder 18 Warehouse Girl b. Birmingham

1881
Joseph Humpage Head 35 Think this is the son of Joseph & Sarah
Bessie Humpage Wife 35 Think this is Elizabeth
Emma Humpage Daur 13
Alice Humpage Daur 9
Thos. Humpage Son 7
Elizth. Humpage Daur 4
Edward Humpage Younger Than 1 year

1891 at 19ct 11H, Suffolk St., Birmingham
Joseph Humpage Head Widr 70 Cabinet Maker b. Lye Waste
Emma Arie (Ure?) Daur M 38 Charwoman b. Birmingham
Charles Foster Lodger S 50 Hame 'Sad' Filer b. Birmingham
Hubert Povey Lodger S 3 b. Birmingham

1891 I-..... Lodgery, Great Grimsby
James Ure Lodger M 40 Bill Poster b. Birmingham

1901 - 203 Icknield Port Road, Birmingham
James Humpage Head Mar 58 Coach Harness 'Sad' Filer b. Warks., Birmingham
Emma Humpage Wife Mar 49 Shop Keepers (looks like) Huxters b. ditto
Hubert Humpage SON 14 German Silver Polisher b. ditto

Perhaps James 'Humpage' in 1901 is actually James 'Ure' ???

Maybe this is another Emma? ...
Marriages Jun 1900
Foster Emma W. Bromwich 6b 1431
Humpage James W. Bromwich 6b 1431

Don't know if this is relevant here. A Charles Foster b. 1841 Birmingham (see 1891 census), had a sister Emma. Maybe she married the real James Humpage?

I agree. it's looking like Hubert's mum might have been Emma.

[Jimmy]

This links Humpage with Foster.

CHARLES FOSTER.
NANCY HUMPAGE.
Marriage, 21 FEB 1819. Sedgley, Stafford,