UPDATE LOOK UP DONE --Born outside of county

[sylvia]

I have certainly hit a brick wall on my G.G Grandfather John COOK and I cant see anyway
To get past it .
All of my Cook ancestors have been born in Sedgley, up to John Cook who according to the 1841 census was not born in county. I don't know where to look for him. He was married to Sarah Fletcher in 24 nov1816,that's the earliest I can pin him down to. Here are his details in the 1841 census with his family. His wife Sarah was a widow by the 1851 census .I am awaiting on death cert for John COOK hoping I have sent for the correct one. I suspect they were non conformist since Eliza was christened at Coseley old meeting place Sedgley. It doesn't say where the others were christened though they all seemed to get Christened a long time after their births.
I suspect I will never find his birth since there are so many John Cooks born at around the time he was born.


1841 CENSUS

HO107/0998 Folio 8/7 Page 6
Abigail Lane
Sedgley

COOK John 60 N (No not born in County) Labourer
COOK Sarah 45 Y (Yes born in County)
COOK Joseph 20 Y
COOK Mary 20 Y
COOK Eliza 14 Y
COOK Hannah 12 Y
COOK Elizabeth 9 Y
COOK Ellen 7 Y
COOK Sarah 5 Y

Cheers Sylvia

[linell]

Have you tried searching under Worcestershire? Sedgley and Coseley are both areas of Dudley, Dudley was both in Worcs and Staffordshire depending on which bit you lived in. Dudley Archives do have some Non Conformist Registers, Baptists for example weren't Baptised until they were adults. HTH from Linell.

[linell]

COOK John 60 N (No not born in County) Labourer
COOK Sarah 45 Y (Yes born in County)
COOK Joseph 20 Y
COOK Mary 20 Y
COOK Eliza 14 Y
COOK Hannah 12 Y
COOK Elizabeth 9 Y
COOK Ellen 7 Y
COOK Sarah 5 Y

Were some of these children Grandchildren, looks like Joseph and Mary are a couple?

Linell.

[sylvia]

I found births for both Mary and Joseph and they appear to be John and Sarah's children. There is also a John COOK but he must have been married by then or out of the home when the census person called, he was born 1822
I have searched Dudley area as that was the closest to Sedgley. I keep returning there as it seems the most likeliest place to search.
Thanks for your advice and i will keep trying,something may pop up.Sylvia

[gardener]

Hi
Have you looked at the actual marriage entry for John and Sarah?
Does it have any helpful witnesses?
Are there any other Cook marriages at Sedgley around that time (or a bit earlier since John is a bit older) which could be for siblings?

[Maths girl]

Given that John is 15 years older than his wife could he have been married before? can you tell from the actual entry? would it help to find a previous wife if she existed.

What was his occupation? would it have allowed him to move far?

[sylvia]

Have you looked at the actual marriage entry for John and Sarah?
Does it have any helpful witnesses?
Are there any other Cook marriages at Sedgley around that time (or a bit earlier since John is a bit older) which could be for siblings?

No I haven't looked at the actual marriage entry for John and Sarah and I don't know who his witnesses were ,where would I look for that ?
And Yes I have searched for other Cooks marriages who may be Johns bro and Sis ,there are plenty.
I have searched for birth's and marriages occurring with names the same as his children hopeing for any bit of info that could help,I will keep on trying ,I did give up at one stage but I'm back with a vengeance.

Given that John is 15 years older than his wife could he have been married before? can
you tell from the actual entry? would it help to find a previous wife if she existed.

It did occur to me he may have been married before and yes I have searched for a likely first marriage, not in earnest, but maybe with a bit more vigour this time.



What was his occupation ? would it have allowed him to move far?In the 41 census he was a labourer, and that is the only census he is in as he was missing in the 51 and I assume he was dead since Sarah was a widow.

[linell]

Sylvia, have you searched the pages next to this entry

COOK John 60 N (No not born in County) Labourer
COOK Sarah 45 Y (Yes born in County)
COOK Joseph 20 Y
COOK Mary 20 Y
COOK Eliza 14 Y
COOK Hannah 12 Y
COOK Elizabeth 9 Y
COOK Ellen 7 Y
COOK Sarah 5 Y

You didn't put the address, there is often relatives living near by.

Where did you get the Marriage from for John Cook and Sarah Fletcher? I couldn't find it. How do you know it is the correct John and Sarah? As Gardener said you need the details as the Witnesses could be Father's or siblings, and it will say if John was a Widower or not. If they were members of Coseley Presbyterian Church, I would look for any records on that, I have some Church books which give lots of details on my Ancestors, lists of names and trustee's etc. You can get a copy of the Marriage from the Archive where they Married, you need to write to them giving them the names and the date, and for a small fee they will send you a print out of the Marriage from the Parish Register. HTH from Linell.

[sylvia]

I put address in first post linell

I got details from off the later day saints site for John and Sarah marriage ..

I get most of my info from Later Day saints as you can search the batch numbers and see if there are other family members there .They have a new site now which is also good .
Here is the pilot site, I don't know if I'm allowed to post it or even if it will work from here.

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

Now how do I know they are my John and Sarah.
My Great Grandfather was Elijah COOK, born to Ellen COOK, in a Sedgley workhouse, Ellen was John and Sarah's daughter born 1 Apr 1833 babtised 24 feb 1850. Elijah B 21 Apr 1852 Chr 16may1872.Father unknow at this point in time.
Elijah 9 is with his Grandmother Sarah 63 in the 1861 census, with his uncle Joseph 44. and cousins Pamela 16, and Frederick19, still at 37 .Abigail Lane
RG9-2050,Folio 70.Parish of Sedgley, Village of Coseley, Ecc District: Coseley


I had death cert come in today for a john COOK but unfortunately not the one I wanted, it turned out to be josephs son John, so it wont go to waste .I have two more choices,1841 or 1851 both census years.


1851 census
HO107/2031 FOIO 108 Page 10
Abigail Lane
Sedgley

Sarah 54 widow b Segley.
Mary dau 31 b Sedgley.
Elizabeth .dau 20 Sedgley
Hellen dau 18 Sedgley
Pamela dau 5 Sedgley
Linell thanks for the info I didn't know you could get printouts of parish records.

[linell]

Hi Sylvia, yes I found the Marriage on the Pilot site:-
John Cook
Sarah Fletcher
marriage: 24 Nov 1816 - Sedgley, Stafford, England

If you write to Dudley Archives they will ask for about £3.00 and send you a print out, the address is under the Links section, let us know how you get on.

Linell.

[Northern Lass]

Hi Sylvia

this can be looked up
John Cook
Sarah Fletcher
marriage: 24 Nov 1816 - Sedgley, Stafford, England

It won't be a printout so if you need that then give the archives a call.

[MarkCDodd]

I have a copy of the Eliza's baptism record if you send me a PM I will e-mail it. It looks like she was Baptised again as an Anglican in 1850.

TNA Reference RG4 / Piece _3307 / Folio 32
[Chapel/Registry]
Full Name Eliza Cook
Date of Baptism 21 October 1831
Place of Baptism
Date of Birth
Place of Abode Fullwoods End
Parish of Abode Sedgley
County of Abode -
Registration Date
Registration Town/County Sedgley, Staffordshire
Ceremony Performed by John Cooper
Godparents
Godfather
Godmother
Parents
Father John Cook
Father's Profession Labourer
Mother Sarah Cook
Mother's Maiden Name
Mother's Parish
Date of Marriage
Place of Marriage
Maternal Parents
Name(s) Samuel & Rachel Fletcher
Profession
Town & County
Paternal Parents
Name(s)
Profession

[sylvia]

Thanks for your help folks ,i will let you know how I get on.
Sylvia

[Northern Lass]

Thanks for your help folks ,i will let you know how I get on.
Sylvia

Hi Sylvia will let you know info as soon as I get it

going to move this to the Black Country Section and archive it pending look up

[Northern Lass]

Look up done by BC Wench at Dudley Archives
Thanks Barb!

You may have this now Sylvia if not here tis...


John Cook
Sarah Fletcher
marriage: 24 Nov 1816 Sedgley, Stafford, England

24 November 1816 All Saints, Sedgley
John Cook of this parish Bachelor
Sarah Fletcher of this parish Spinster
Wit: John Wise?, John Newton