My grandfather - Sidney Charles Valentine - according to his birth certificate, was born on the 1st July 1874. The name of father was Charles Valentine and the name of mother was Selina Valentine - formerly Valentine.
Sidney married my grandmother Winifred Foster in 1901. The marriage certificate states his father as Sidney Valentine deceased.
I think I am right in assuming that Selina and Charles did not marry and that Sidney was illegitimate. This would have been a stigma back in 1874, and Selina would have kept very quiet about this part of her life. In both the 1881 and 1891 census she had declared herself as a widow. She probably told Sidney that his father had died and she had named him after him (so he had thought this to be Sidney)?
I have drawn a blank at this point as I am unable to find a link between Selina and Charles. I have tried BMDs with no clues. Is this the end of the line on this part of my tree Margaret
Have you got this one -- presumably her brother/sister in law gave the info and didn't stick to the widow story!
1901 91, Ramsden Road, Streatham VALENTINE, George B Head Married M 58 1843 Foreman Saw Mills Barton Le Clay Bedfordshire VALENTINE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 60 1841 Hitchin Hertfordshire VALENTINE, Selina Sister Single F 60 1841 Barton Le Clay Bedfordshire
1911 408 St Anns Road S Tottenham HOBLEY, Elizabeth Ann Head Single F 46 1865 Dressmaker Charlwood Place Pimlico London HOBLEY, Emma Selina Sister Single F 37 1874 Dressmaker Charlwood Place Pimlico London HOBLEY, George Brother Single M 32 1879 Clerk Shipping Charlwood Place Pimlico London VALINTINE, Selina Aunt Single F 70 1841 Retired House-Keeper Old Age Pensioner Barton Beks BRABANT, William Charles Nephew M 13 1898 School-Boy Cambridge BRABANT, Ada Elizabeth Niece F 11 1900 School Girl Cambridge BRABANT, Maude Emma Niece F 7 1904 School Girl Cambridge BRABANT, Winifred Clara Visitor F 16 1895 General Servant Domestic London Camden Town
margaretb2 wrote:My grandfather - Sidney Charles Valentine - according to his birth certificate, was born on the 1st July 1874. The name of father was Charles Valentine and the name of mother was Selina Valentine - formerly Valentine.
Sidney married my grandmother Winifred Foster in 1901. The marriage certificate states his father as Sidney Valentine deceased.
I think I am right in assuming that Selina and Charles did not marry and that Sidney was illegitimate. This would have been a stigma back in 1874, and Selina would have kept very quiet about this part of her life. In both the 1881 and 1891 census she had declared herself as a widow. She probably told Sidney that his father had died and she had named him after him (so he had thought this to be Sidney)?
I have drawn a blank at this point as I am unable to find a link between Selina and Charles. I have tried BMDs with no clues. Is this the end of the line on this part of my tree Margaret
Margaret do you have Selina on the Census as a young woman, was she born with the name Valentine, or did she just call herself that, and would have had no connection to Charles other than amour?
Selina VALENTINE Head W Female 40 Barton, Bedford, England Bakers & Grocer (Employing 1 Man) Sidney VALENTINE Son Male 6 Southwark, Surrey, England Scholar
Source Information: Dwelling 19 Tyers Terr General Shop Census Place Lambeth, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341137 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0599 / 16 Page Number 27
1871 census Warwick Street, St Martin in the Fields STRIP, Thomas Head M 49 1822 Surrey STRIP, Ann Wife F 47 1824 Bedfordshire STRIP, William Son M 17 1854 Middlesex STRIP, Selina Daughter F 19 1852 Middlesex STRIP, Emma Daughter F 14 1857 Middlesex VALENTINE, Selina Sister-In-Law F 30 1841 Bedfordshire SHORT, Benjamin Servant M 24 1847 Essex ABBOT, Charlotte Servant F 25 1846 Hertfordshire
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1891 19, Tyers Terrace, Lambeth VALENTINE, Selina Head Of Family Widow F 50 1841 Grocer Barton Bedfordshire VALENTINE, Sidney Son Single M 16 1875 Clerk Westminster London
1861 Village By West Side Of Turnpikes Road, Barton, Luton
BURBRIDGE, Thomas Head Married M 51 1810 Farmer Of 130 Acres Employing 9 Men 2 Boy Barton BURBRIDGE, Eliza Wife Married F 54 1807 Stack Cambridgeshire WRIGHT, Mary Ann Sister Unmarried F 46 1815 Dress Maker Bennington Herefordshire VALENTINE, Selina Niece Unmarried F 20 1841 Dairy Maid Barton Bedfordshire
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1851 Village, Barton BURBIDGE, Thomas Head Married M 41 1810 Farmer 128 Ac Empy 6 Men 2 Boys Barton Bedfordshire BURBIDGE, Eliza Wife Married F 43 1808 Farmers Wife Stowe Cambridgeshire WRIGHT, Mary Ann Sister-In-Law Unmarried F 36 1815 Dress Maker Bennington Hertfordshire VALENTINE, Eliza Niece F 13 1838 Scholar Barton Bedfordshire VALENTINE, Selina Niece F 10 1841 Scholar Barton Bedfordshire VALENTINE, George Burbidge Nephew M 8 1843 Scholar Barton Bedfordshire ANGELL, David Servant Unmarried M 22 1829 Shepherd Henlow Bedfordshire ANSELL, William Servant Unmarried M 17 1834 Farm Servant Barton Bedfordshire
Name Age Thomas Burbidge 41 Head Farmer Eliza Burbidge 43 Wife Mary Ann Wright 36 Sister In Law Eliza Valentine 13 Niece Selina Valentine 10 Niece Georg Burbidge Valentine 8 Nephew David Angell 22 Servant William Ansell 17 Servant
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1841 Turnpike Road, North, Barton-Le-Clay VALENTINE, James M 50 1791 Farmer VALENTINE, Mary F 35 1806 Bedfordshire VALENTINE, James M 13 1828 Bedfordshire VALENTINE, John M 12 1829 Bedfordshire VALENTINE, Mary F 8 1833 Bedfordshire VALENTINE, Emma F 5 1836 Bedfordshire VALENTINE, Eliza F 3 1838 Bedfordshire VALENTINE, Selina F 0 (11 months) 1841 Bedfordshire HOLDSTOCK, James M 15 1826 Bedfordshire ALLEN, John M 15 1826 Bedfordshire WARD, William M 15 1826 Bedfordshire
snoopysue wrote:1871 census Warwick Street, St Martin in the Fields STRIP, Thomas Head M 49 1822 Surrey Licensed Victualler STRIP, Ann Wife F 47 1824 Bedfordshire STRIP, William Son M 17 1854 Middlesex BArman STRIP, Selina Daughter F 19 1852 Middlesex Barmaid STRIP, Emma Daughter F 14 1857 Middlesex BArmaid VALENTINE, Selina Sister-In-Law F 30 1841 Bedfordshire Barmaid SHORT, Benjamin Servant M 24 1847 Essex Nailer ABBOT, Charlotte Servant F 25 1846 Hertfordshire
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