COMPLETED Haines/Hillman/Silsby antecedents

[Jimmy]

I can't see this lot in 1851.
1841. Steyning, Sussex.
Richard Town 35. Ag lab.
Sarah Town 27.
Richard Town 4.
Edwin Town 3.
Joseph Town 7 MO.
Samuael Phillip 30.

Richard Town.
Baptism/Christening Date: 05 Dec 1836.
Baptism/Christening Place: Steyning, Sussex.
Father's Name: Richard Town.
Mother's Name: Sarah.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C15073-3.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1068527.
Reference Number: item 2.

Edwin Town.
Baptism/Christening Date: 18 Nov 1838.
Baptism/Christening Place: Steyning, Sussex.
Father's Name: Richard Town.
Mother's Name: Sarah.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C15073-3.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1068527.
Reference Number: item 2.

Joseph Town.
Baptism/Christening Date: 01 Nov 1840.
Baptism/Christening Place: Steyning, Sussex.
Father's Name: Richard Town.
Mother's Name: Sarah.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C15073-3.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1068527.
Reference Number: item 2.

Sarah Town.
Baptism/Christening Date: 26 Jun 1842.
Baptism/Christening Place: Steyning, Sussex.
Father's Name: Richard Town.
Mother's Name: Sarah.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C15073-3.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1068527.
Reference Number: item 2.

[Jimmy]

Possible marriage for Richard and Sarah,
Richard Town.
Bride's Name: Sarah Stringer.
Marriage Date: 12 Apr 1834.
Marriage Place: St. Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01256-0.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1468821.
Reference Number: IT1 P143 No429.

[grangers14]

I think its Fanny Blake!
Mar 1863 Cuckfield
James Silsby marriage has been transcribed as 2b 153 and its really 2b 155 on the image!
Fannys is 2b 155

Jo

[SRD]

The parts in red that it says are unconfirmed, do you have that info but just not checked it out?
Jo

It's mainly been deduced by cross referencing indeces etc. We don't have entries, certificates or licences.

Oh goodness you dont know what you are missing! All the excitement waiting for it to arrive!
You should really, its the only way to confirn you are following the right people.

Fanny is often a nickname for Frances. That marriage isnt correct actually, that Frances married Henry Longhurst!

That explains one of the brick walls we've hit. Interestingly my grandfather Sidney Haines' sister-in-law Elsie (married to his brother Reg) worked for Henry Longhurst (the golf commentator) acting as house-keeper/carer, looking after first his Mother-in-law and then his wife Claudine, at the two windmills, Jack and Jill on the South Downs above Clayton (where my Mother was married and my grand-parents are buried. I don't know if that Henry Longhurst was related to the one you've found married to Francis (and that isn't a challenge ).

[SRD]

I think its Fanny Blake!
Mar 1863 Cuckfield
James Silsby marriage has been transcribed as 2b 153 and its really 2b 155 on the image!
Fannys is 2b 155

Jo

Is that on FreeBMD?

[SRD]

Thanks again Jimmy, I can't get over how good you lot are.

[grangers14]

I think its Fanny Blake!
Mar 1863 Cuckfield
James Silsby marriage has been transcribed as 2b 153 and its really 2b 155 on the image!
Fannys is 2b 155

Jo

Is that on FreeBMD?

On freebmd you find James Silsby but the page number isnt right, its been transcribed wrong if you look at the image.
Fanny Blake is on a page on her own.
Jo

[SRD]

I think its Fanny Blake!
Mar 1863 Cuckfield
James Silsby marriage has been transcribed as 2b 153 and its really 2b 155 on the image!
Fannys is 2b 155

Jo

Is that on FreeBMD?

On freebmd you find James Silsby but the page number isnt right, its been transcribed wrong if you look at the image.
Fanny Blake is on a page on her own.
Jo

Thanks, have you put in a correction, if not I'll do it the next time I'm in there.

[grangers14]

I havent no.
Jo

[SRD]

I'm having difficulty finding James and Fanny Silsby on the 1881 census.
The best I've come across is the following mention that I've copied into my notes but can't for the life of me remember where I found it. (note to self: improve your record keeping SRD or you're not going to get anywhere.)

James Silsby 45 Cuckfield, Hurstpierpoint
James Silsby 8 Cuckfield, Hurstpierpoint
Fanny Silsby 41 Cuckfield, Hurstpierpoint

I think it's interesting that in the 1871 census James & Fanny seem to be having children regularly, and by the 1891 census they seem to be at it again, with the earlier children either left home or dead, children aged 10 and 6, but no teenagers, which suggests to me that:
1. They had a string of early deaths.
2. One or other of them moved out of the family home for a while (Fanny is marked up as a nurse so might she have gone away to live in somewhere?)
3. Illness or accident that might have prevented the conjugals.

Any thoughts anyone?

[grangers14]

Just looking for 1881 for you and look at 1891! Fanny is Blake!!


1881. Little Reeds, Albourne
James Silsby, head, 45, Farm carter, Woodmancote
Fanny, wife, 41, Ashurst
Jane, daur, 11, Twineham
Elizabeth, daur, 9, Twineham
James, son, 8, Albourne
Jesse, son, 2, Albourne

1891. Ansty? Villas, Henfield,
James Silsby, head, 54, Ag lab, Woodmancote
Fannt, wife, 51, nurse, Ashurst
Jesse, son, 12, Albourne
Edith, daur, 6, Cowfold
John Blake, Father in Law, Ag lab, Ashurst

1901.
George Heasman?, head, 71, Cook confections? Shipley
Fanny, wife, 70, Shipley - Crippled Invalid
James Silsby, boarder, 63, Market Gardener, Woodmanscote
Fanny, boarder, 60, nurse, Ashurst

They were living next door to the Heasman family in 1891 too.

[SRD]

Cracking stuff, thanks grangers14.

I wonder what happened to daughter Edith in 1901, I can't find a death for her before 1901 so she would have been 16.

I don't know if it's the same one but I've got a dead Jesse in Cuckfield in 1905.

Do you have the Heasman address?

[Maths girl]

I think it's interesting that in the 1871 census James & Fanny seem to be having children regularly, and by the 1891 census they seem to be at it again, with the earlier children either left home or dead, children aged 10 and 6, but no teenagers, which suggests to me that:
1. They had a string of early deaths.
2. One or other of them moved out of the family home for a while (Fanny is marked up as a nurse so might she have gone away to live in somewhere?)
3. Illness or accident that might have prevented the conjugals.

Any thoughts anyone?

I seem to remember this pattern from someone on Who do you think you are? and there was an illness reason but I can't remember what it actually was.-- I have just had a flash back and thought that it might have been an STD -- I hope that is my vivid imagination! -- could be completely wrong -- but?

[Maths girl]

Cracking stuff, thanks grangers14.

I wonder what happened to daughter Edith in 1901, I can't find a death for her before 1901 so she would have been 16.

I don't know if it's the same one but I've got a dead Jesse in Cuckfield in 1905.

Do you have the Heasman address?

16, Grafton Road, Worthing

[Maths girl]

Is this him in 1911 -- friend of the father in law??

1911 Brooklands Bolney
MILLS, Arthur Head Married M 51 1860 Farmer Sussex Shipley
MILLS, Kate Wife F 44 1867 Sussex Cowfold
MILLS, Maude Daughter Single F 18 1893 Sussex Bolney
MILLS, Archie Son M 15 1896 Farmers Son Working On Farm Sussex Bolney
MILLS, Freda Son M 5 1906 Sussex Bolney
MILLS, Cecil Son M 5 1906 Sussex Bolney
PEACOCK, Joseph Father In Law Widower M 78 1833 Farmer Retired Sussex Poynings
GANDER, Arthur Servant Single M 35 1876 Agracultural Labourer Sussex N K
SELSBY, James Servant Single M (N K) Agracultural Labourer Sussex N K