Newbie from Finland says Hi for all

[Taru]

Hello,
I'm from Finland and quite recently got interested in my roots - from my mother's side my background is in Karelia (after WW2 a part of Russia...).

One great grand unckle of mine is totally 'lost' and with some relatives we'd like to know what happened to him. His name was Väinö (Wäinö) PEUSSA, born in 01.11.1888 in Koivisto (Karelia), Finland. Round year 1910 he left Finland aiming to USA. He had wrote one letter for his mom, not very long after he had left, telling that he is ok and he'll send more information after he has settled. No one knows anymore where the letter came from , but no one heard of him no more after that single letter...

I've been searching from dozens and dozens of web sites but with only one possible 'hit' - there states that a person called 'Peussa, Vajno' has died in Dec 1919, at the age of 31, in Prescot (which, I presume as a foreigner, is a part of Lancashire?). http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl searching with just the surname of 'Peussa' . These a's and o's with dots are a bit difficult, but if a foreigner tries to pronounce the name 'Väinö' it really sounds precisely like this written 'Vajno' .

From LancashireBMD http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/deathcov.php I found nothing and realized that Prescot records are not indexed yet (I'm not sure did I interprete the chart in a right way..?).

Perhaps my dilemma should be in some other chapter...? There are some english people with the name of Peussa, and of course we'd like to find out if our ancestor did have a family, or children in UK It would be really nice to find relatives!

I've been reading this forum for quite many times before joining in - there seems to be such wonderful people that I dare to ask for some help, advice and tips how to proceed in my quest.

kind regards, Taru

[peterd]

Marriages Dec 1919 Bermondsey

Peussa Henrietta Read St.Olave 1d 339
Read Joe Peussa St. Olave 1d 339


Marriages Jun 1937 London and Surrey

Peussa Oswald H F Peck Camberwell 1d 1383
Peck Eliza J Peussa Camberwell 1d 1383
Penssa Oswald H F Peck Camberwell 1d 1383


here the death plus another

Deaths Sep 1916
Peussa Constantine 53 St. Olave 1d 143


Deaths Dec 1919 Lancashire

PEUSSA Vajno 31 Prescot 8b 756


anything on the 1911 for Vanjo ?

[peterd]

is there any immergration records into the uk from europe ?

poss he might of been in the army any finders ?

[Maths girl]

This accounts for two of them in 1911

1911 124 Jamaica Road Bermondsey
PENSSA, Constantine Head Married 9 years M 48 1863 Carman Russia Finland
PENSSA, Henrietta Wife Married F 36 1875 London Bermondsey

[peterd]

This accounts for two of them in 1911

1911 124 Jamaica Road Bermondsey
PENSSA, Constantine Head Married 9 years M 48 1863 Carman Russia Finland
PENSSA, Henrietta Wife Married F 36 1875 London Bermondsey

Koivisto (Karelia), Finland (after WW2 a part of Russia...).


wonder if they came from the same place ?

[peterd]

You could buy this death cert from the GRO

Deaths Dec 1919 Lancashire

PEUSSA Vajno 31 Prescot 8b 756

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

this is the infomation you might get

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg ... 176222.pdf

[Taru]

Wow! I knew you are a bunch of great people!

I try to give some answers and also some hypothetic theories...

I have tried to find: passport details - nothing, immigration - nothing, army - he was not in ...

Maths girl:
In these findings you've done, there is also this very interesting spelling mistake of having 'PENSSA' instead of 'PEUSSA' . From handwriting it is very easy to mix n and u ... Thanks, this give a new perspective and a word to use in searching!

peterd:
Actually, the whole Finland was actually part of Russia until 1917 and our independence war.. And after WW2 the Karelia region was again part of Russia (or Sovjet that time). So it might be that people at 19th centrury have stated 'Russia' as their origin - quite right actually.
(Finland, however, had a very special position within Russia - we had our own governor, own laws, own currency etc. )

Unfortunately the research on PEUSSA family is not covering but only a small part of that family - otherwise it could be easy to check better the origins e.g. this Constantine etc.


With my supervivid imagination I have created a whole bunch of theories... before writing them all here and making you think I'm really super-odd I'd like to know if there could be any possibilities to search any information on this Peussa Oswald H F Peck Camberwell 1d 1383 (or surname written like Penssa) ... ??
Or is he too young e.g the information is not old enough due to some jurisdical reasons etc.


(OK...I'll explain...if this 'Vajno' is right person as it seems acc.to his age etc, he has lived in UK for some 8-9 years. It may have been possible that he had a 'wife' and they had kid(s) and they used 'Peussa' as their surname even though they were not married... Then..Vajno died and his 'wife' took the kid(s) and moved to London-Surrey-etc area (or even before he died). ...might this woman been with name of Henrietta and got married with Joe Read who started to use also Peussa name...they got married at the same time Vajno died...Dec 1919. Are you following so far..?? Oswald HF got married in 1937, his age is not known but his wife was around 25 that time so Oswald has obviously been roughly at the same age >> born round 1912 << could be e.g Väinö's son ? )
Now you surely think I'm totally crazy , but there are some people, some ages, some almost connections but not connections, which have made me thinking in a creative way...

Wondering is it good or bad to have imagination when doing research...?

[gardener]

Marriage June qtr 1902
Constantine Peussa to Henrietta B Ahrowson
Camberwell 1d 1270

Ahrowson is surely a mistranscrption?

[gardener]

I don't see anything other than the surname that links the Lancashire death to the London marriage etc.
If you can stand the expense then you should get the certificate for the death in Lancashire. I'm not sure that it will tell you much other than his occupation perhaps. It will have the name of whoever reported the death and that might help, but it could have been a neighbour or other unconnected person.

Off on another tack, I see that you have entries on Genesreunited. The only other entry on there for that surname (first name Gary) - have you tried contacting the person who added that? Or, it looks as though that Gary could be on Facebook so if you belong to that you could send a message explaining that you are interested in the surname and wonder if he knows his origins.

[grangers14]

Marriage June qtr 1902
Constantine Peussa to Henrietta B Ahrowson
Camberwell 1d 1270

Ahrowson is surely a mistranscrption?

It looks like that on the image of the index. Must be who done the indexing?
Jo

[grangers14]

1st June 1902. Nunhead St Antony Southwark
Constantine Penssa, 29, B, Sailor, 14, Nunhead Green, Abraham Penssa, Farmer
Henrietta Betsy Ahrouson, 27, S, 14, Nunhead Green, father, Henry William Ahrouson, General Dealer
Banns
both signed
Witnesses:- Esther Sarah Ahrouson, H W Ahrouson (both signed)

[Taru]

@ gardener - you're right, I might contact via Genes or Facebook

I also have created bits and pieces of familytree to http://www.geni.com - just spreading a bit my ancestor's surnames...

@ grangers14 - I've also seen this 'Ahrowson' written as 'Ahrouson' - yet I can't get any connection into any finnish name, of course there are possibilities to connect it into some other scandinavian languages (swedish, danish, norwegian) which are totally different. (... 'son' at the end of surname is very very common in scand.names, it just means that one is someone's son...)

Well, I go via genes and fb - and perhaps order the certificate if something might pop up from it...
Thank you all so far - let's see how the quest proceeds

[grangers14]

1901. Nunhead Green, Peckham
Henry W Ahronson, head, 59, General dealer
Sarah E, wife, 48,
Esther, daur, 18,
Herchall? son, 17, printer
Alfred, son, 15,
Charles, son, 11,
Edith G, daur, 7
All born London

[snoopysue]

@ grangers14 - I've also seen this 'Ahrowson' written as 'Ahrouson' - yet I can't get any connection into any finnish name, of course there are possibilities to connect it into some other scandinavian languages (swedish, danish, norwegian) which are totally different. (... 'son' at the end of surname is very very common in scand.names, it just means that one is someone's son...)

I don't think Ahrowson sounds Danish, or scandanavian really. Most Danish and Norwegian of this type names end in ...sen, although if you were illiterate this could be written incorrectly or just anglacised (is that how you spell it?).
A lot of Swedish names end in ..sson. There are also a lot of english names that end in son. There are of course Iclandic names, but then it should end in ...dottir as it's a woman's surname.
But in all these cases the "Ahrow" bit would be a first name or christian name.
A google search for Ahrowson came back with no hits what so ever! Ahrouson was a bit better, but not by much and nothing to indicate the origin of the name.

[Maths girl]

1901. Nunhead Green, Peckham
Henry W Ahronson, head, 59, General dealer
Sarah E, wife, 48,
Esther, daur, 18,
Herchall? son, 17, printer
Alfred, son, 15,
Charles, son, 11,
Edith G, daur, 7
All born London

1911 89 Henslowe Road East Dulwich S E
AHRONSON, Henry William Head Widower M 69 1842 Model Maker London Lambeth

FMP has missed the following off there transcription
Alfred Ellis Ahronson Son 25,S Barman, Dulwich
Edith Grace Ahronson Daughter 16 Sewing Machine Worker, Dulwich
Esther Sarah Cormack(?) Daughter 28 married no children ,Domestic Work, Bermondsey
Alfred Edwd Cormack (?) Son In Law, 24 , married , Engineers Assistant, Rotherhithe