*Archive?* Artust CHARLES WARREN

[jschelleng]

I am looking for any information on CHARLES WARREN, an artist (by avocation if not vocation) living in Chelsea around 1825-1840. He was good enough to exhibit in the 1833 Royal Academy Exhibition and and the 1835 the Royal Society of British Artist Exhibition. A few of his prints are still available. We know he had a wife Caroline and a daughter Caroline Lucy (Dec 20, 1831). We also believe that Charles was the brother of HENRY WARREN, a well known artist at the time and president of the Royal Institute of Painters in Water Colours. We know nothing about either WARREN's birth or parentage, and nothing about CHARLES marriage or death. Any help is welcomed.

[MarkCDodd]

According to the Parish Register and London Baptism index, Caroline Lucy was born on the 30th December 1831, not the 20th.

Baptised at St Lukes, Chelsea on the 10th Feb 1832.

Looking for the marriage in the same church.....

[MarkCDodd]

Nearest marriage and Banns I can find is at St Mary's in Lambeth in Surrey.

Banns start on the 27th Jun 1830 and the marriage is on the 25th August 1830.

Carolines maiden name is Warren as well.

Witnesses are both Warrens.

No mention of profession of the groom.

[MarkCDodd]

This may be him in 1841. Ther eis another Warren family next door.

1841 census transcription details for: Seymour Place, Kensington, Brompton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 690 Book/Folio: 13/50 Page: 21

Reg. District: Kensington Sub District: Brompton
Parish: Kensington Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Seymour Place, Kensington, Brompton
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
WARREN, Charles M 44 1797 Middlesex
WARREN, Caroline F 43 1798 Middlesex
WARREN, Charles M 17 1824 Middlesex
WARREN, Caroline F 9 1832 Middlesex
WARREN, Alfred M 4 1837 Middlesex

The elder Charles is an Artist. This would make their wedding date a bit earlier so I would have another look.

This is the family next door.

1841 census transcription details for: Seymour Place, Kensington, Brompton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 690 Book/Folio: 13/50 Page: 21

Reg. District: Kensington Sub District: Brompton
Parish: Kensington Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Seymour Place, Kensington, Brompton
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
WARREN, Joseph M 37 1804 Middlesex
WARREN, Charlotte F 35 1806
WARREN, Henry M 12 1829 Middlesex
WARREN, Emma F 10 1831 Middlesex
WARREN, James M 9 1832 Middlesex
WARREN, Charlotte F 4 1837 Middlesex
WARREN, Sarah F 2 1839 Middlesex
WARREN, George M 0 (7 months) 1841 Middlesex
WARREN, Ann F 67 1774
LANDSLEY, Eleanor F 72 1769 Middlesex
SAVAGE, Mary F 60 1781 Middlesex

[MarkCDodd]

This is them in 1851. Alfred was deaf from birth.

1851 census transcription details for: 2, Park Cottage, Bridge Road, Battersea
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1577 Folio: 76 Page: 18

Reg. District: Wandsworth Sub District: Battersea
Parish: Battersea Enum. District: 5
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Park Cottage, Bridge Road, Battersea
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
WARREN, Charles Head Married M 53 1798 Art & Cashier Up Pande Westr Middlesex
WARREN, Caroline Wife Married F 52 1799 At Home St James Middlesex
WARREN, Charles Son Unmarried M 26 1825 Concertman Master Chelsea Middlesex
WARREN, Alfred Son Unmarried M 13 1838 At Home Partialy Deaf Chelsea Middlesex

And here he is living in The Phaesant Inn in Worcestershire!

1861 census transcription details for: Pheasant Inn, New Street, St Martins, Worcester
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 2092 Folio: 13 Page: 29

Reg. District: Worcester Sub District: 2 North Worcester
Parish: St Martins Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: Worcester City/Municipal Borough: Worcester
Address: Pheasant Inn, New Street, St Martins, Worcester
County: Worcestershire

KIRK, Edmund Head Widower M 40 1821 Victualer London
KIRK, Horner D V Son M 14 1847 Scholar Claines Worcester
WARD, Rosa Ann Bar Maid Unmarried F 28 1833 Bar Maid Shipston on Stour
PREW, Jane Niece Unmarried F 14 1847 Scholar Shipston on Stour
POSTINGS, George Ostler Married M 35 1826 Ostler Kidderminster
POSTINGS, Mary Ann Servant Married F 37 1824 House Servant St Nicholas Warwickshire
DANIEL, John Boarder Unmarried M 27 1834 Traveller Ireland
KIRKWOOD, James Boarder Married M 40 1821 Traveller Scotland
KIRKWOOD, Catherine Boarder Married F 40 1821 Traveller Gloucester
HYNES, Patrick Soldier Unmarried M 31 1830 Gunner Royal Artillerey Ireland
HYNES, George Boarder Widower M 52 1809 Tailor Manchester
ELCOTT, William Boarder Unmarried M 49 1812 Tailor Liverpool
MCDUNCOTT, Peter Boarder Unmarried M 33 1828 Tailor St Johns Manchester
WARREN, Charles Boarder Widower M 63 1798 Artist London
PARREY, Anthony Visitor Married M 40 1821 Carpenter Charlton Kings Gloucestershire
PARREY, George Visitor Unmarried M 18 1843 Carpenter Charlton Kings Gloucestershire
GARLICK, Frank Boarder Married M 23 1838 Tailor Cheltenham
MCDOWAL, Edward Visitor Unmarried M 26 1835 Traveller Cheltenham
EDWARD, Edward Boarder Unmarried M 33 1828 Discharged Soldier 14 Light... Lincolnshire

[MarkCDodd]

Most likely death.

Name: Charles Warren
Estimated birth year: abt 1798
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 72
District: St George Hanover Square
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 275

Possible.....

Name: Charles Kaivett Warren
Estimated birth year: abt 1799
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 68
District: Mile End Old Town
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 435

or

Name: Charles Warren
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 71
District: Marylebone (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 378

[MarkCDodd]

This is his sons marriage.

Groom's Name: Charles Warren
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Mary Ann Allen
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 09 Sep 1854
Marriage Place: St Andrew'S, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Groom's Father's Name: Charles Warren
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: John Allen
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00745-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 374378
Reference Number: Vol.18 P.224 #447

Looking at the Church Record, there is no mention of his mother.

Witnesses were Ann Whitfield and Samuel .... Hicks.

John Allen's profession is Carpenter.

Charle's senior is Artist.

Charle's junion is Musical Instrument Maker.

Both Charles Jnr and Mary Ann live in Red Lion Street.

[MarkCDodd]

If Alfred was born after registration is required then his registration distict would be Kensington if born in Chelsea.

There are a few Alfred's born around London and Middlesex but none registered in Kensington.

If he was registered then that is the easiest way of finding his mother's maiden name.

You can order certificates from the GRO with the proviso that the mother is Caroline so you don't waste money.

[grangers14]

Are you still woorking on this or can it be archived?
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