*Archived * -John Henry Moore

[Northern Lass]

Ok I have entered some of this on Connections...might help to see it on the tree.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =615811374

any errors/and or additions Sharon let me know and I will alter the info.

I think that John (Henry) Moore b abt 1827 must have died by 1881 and there are a few deaths it could be on free bmd.

It would be interesting to look up Claras marriage to William guise and see if she puts father as deceased ( not that that means anything...so many put wrong info or ommitted it)

I would be tempted to find this Johns death if only to tie down his dob and see who informant was.
If it was his wife as Lin says she might have remarried.

The thing I find really odd is none of those kids called William
But Charles and Thomas.
I think he had a brother Thomas and I think we need to hunt down a Thomas in the area with maybe a wife Mary
They were Witnesses on the marriage cert in 1854.

Is William a Charles William?
or a Thomas William

[linell]

Hi Sharon and NL, have turned my attention to Ann Turner, for a change of scenery Interesting to find that Richard Turner was originally from Cleobury Shropshire.

1841 Light Green Cradley
Richard Turner 50 Lab No
Hannah 45 Yes
Martha 15
Eliza 14
Richard 12
Ann 10
Emma 8
Benjamin 5

1851 Light Green Cradley
Richard Turner HD 61 Ag Lab Cleobury Salop
Hannah Wife 57 Cradley
Richard 22 Rowley Regis
Ann 20 Rowley Regis
Benjamin 14 Cradley

This is Hannah I mentioned from the Vicar's Notebook who was 'Ill' in 1857 living with Richard and Benjamin.

Sharon are you sure that John Moore 1827 was a bach on the Wedding Certificate?

[linell]

I found Clara Moore with husband Wm Guise on the Census.
1881 Lomey Town Cradley Heath Staffs
Wm Guise 22 Lab at Chain Works born Worcester
Clara 20 Cradley
James Wm 4 months Cradley Heath
Alfred Moor 17 Cradley Heath
Harry Moor 16 Cradley
John H Moor 14 Cradley

1891 Broad Green Broadwas Worcs
Wm Guise 30 Farm Labourer Crowle Worcs
Clara 29 Cradley
James Wm 10 Cradley Heath

1901 Two Gates Cradley
Wm Guise 41 Labourer on Farm Crowle Worcs
Clara 39 Cradley
Wm 20
Harry 4
May 1

Notice that Clara calls her son Wm. I think we need to find as many of the childen of John and Ann as we can, searching for any clues. Best Wishes linell.

[Jimmy]

Extracted.

JOHN MOORE.
Birth, 05 OCT 1830.
Christening, 14 NOV 1830. High Street Independent, Stourbridge, Worcester,
Parents:
WILLIAM MOORE.
HANNAH.

[Northern Lass]

Extracted.

JOHN MOORE.
Birth, 05 OCT 1830.
Christening, 14 NOV 1830. High Street Independent, Stourbridge, Worcester,
Parents:
WILLIAM MOORE.
HANNAH.

That one we now think is the one with mother Hannah Harper and moved to Derby but b 1830 in Stourbridge

maybe...

[linell]

I put all the solid info we have on BCC NL, just need to find some more leads. linell.

[Northern Lass]

Thanks Linell that is brill ....

[Sharon]

Hello again! I'm sure you remember me & the problems I've caused!
(ah computers-cant live with em, cant live without em!)

Thanks for the information on Clara- maybe the death route will show something...How do you find a death when you've no idea where or when!
On the 1854 marriage cert, John is down as a bachelor aged 24 and a labourer, father is William Moore and a labourer. So I'm as sure a s that. No other name given with William.
Think the census is 1881 too, judging by dates...where the 'eck were they in 1851 & 1841..
(Where at Dudley did you see the vicars notebooks?) Do you know if the Cradley links book list is available through the Bugle shops?

Being a "glass is half empty" kinda gal (until I met you lot!) I'm also thinking that William was a labourer and may not be a "back to the 1500's Moore"
Incidentally, I was told (by a researching Aussie) that the Stourbridge part of the railway system in the 1850's contractors, were Hoof, Hill & Moore. Apparently small groups banded together to take on contracts. Many of these came from County Cork. From the nearest port to B'ham, they passed through Kidderminster & Cradley..
Thank you all once more for your efforts
Sharon

[Sharon]

Me again!
I know-all or nothing...
don't know if this info helps you detectives...
Family on 1901 census..address can't be read, but from obtaining a cert., think its "Long Innage"
Alice 1890
Arthur 1894
John Hy 1892 (iron cleaner & ? cutter) grandaddy! actually 1891, Lodge Forge
Leah 1897
Leni 1900 (this was Simeon)
Samuel 1899
BUT wife given as Louisa 1868

wife on the 1891 census was Mary (Harris) Have no info on the mysterious Louisa

[Northern Lass]

Sharon Have you got the Census info?

1871 High St Cradley
all born Cradley
John Moore h m 44 (b 1827) horse driver
Ann wife 43
Charles son unm 16 (b 1855)
Thomas 13
Clara some middle name 10
Alfred 8
Harry 6
John H 4 (b 1867)
Harriet (some middle name) 2
Ann some midd name 2 mths

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1861 Cradley east side of Village
John Moore h mar 32 ( b 1829) b Cradley
Ann wife 31 b Staffs Rowley Regis Staffs
Charles son 5
Thomas 3
Dau 1 day old
(that would be Clara)
all kids b Cradley
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1881 Lomey Town Cradley Heath Staffs
Wm Guise 22 Lab at Chain Works born Worcester
Clara 20 Cradley
James Wm 4 months Cradley Heath
Alfred Moor 17 Cradley Heath
Harry Moor 16 Cradley
John H Moor 14 Cradley


So just so I get this cos losing the plot
We cant find John snr on 41 or 51
we have him on the above with his family
then I think betw 71 and 81 John snr dies cos in 1881 the kids are living with Clara their sister and hubby William guise
so that census with missing date you have Sharon must be the 1871

So what death do you want John Moore?
so you need to put in deaths betw 71-81 possibly
on free bmd or wmbsgh sites and see what you get then narrow it down based on the dob for John snr
think there were 3 when I looked that looked likely

[Jimmy]

"Long Innage" is Halesowen.

[Sharon]

Thanks Jimmy & Northern Lass
I too, am glazing over now.......
I have no death details on any of the family...

The Clara news is brand new to me..I have a question..
john henry, harry & Alfred are with Clara on the 1881 census. Is it possible that they were visiting on the day?
I have no Alfred recorded as a sibling from the other census details, but an Albert H (1863) Have I got the name wrong?
and where would the remainder of the children be? (Charles, Thomas, Harriet E & Ann R)

[Northern Lass]

Hi Sharon
it is Alfred here is the birth regis

1863
MOORE Alfred H Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/022/138

it is strange where the other ones are and they could be with John and Ann somewhere

need to see if any of those other kids die
Charles, Thomas, Harriet E & Ann R

also a look up on that marriage of Clara and William guise is father John down as deceased?
if it is not under look ups stick it on Sharon

[Northern Lass]

Here you go Sharon put this under look up requests section ....on the thread entitled dudley archives and I will look it up

1880
MOORE Clara A GUISE William Cradley Heath, Holy Trinity Sandwell Register Office 19/1/56

[Jimmy]

Extracted

ALFRED MOOR.
Christening, 08 DEC 1863. Cradley, Worcester,
Parents:
JOHN MOOR.
ANN