*Archive?* Martha Louisa BARNES

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My great grandfather was born as Francis Scannel FOX in Newbury in 1910 to John Joseph FOX a tailor from Glasgow and locally born Martha Louisa FOX, they were both quite old when he was born and I'm pretty sure that Martha Louisa's maiden name was BARNES (Francis S FOX changed his surname to BARNES in 1935, no one seems to know why but he wrote a letter to a newspaper in Devon in 1970, asking if he'd still be able to get war time credits (I don't know think he ever got them, not sure though).

I'm pretty sure that this is her Birth Index, since the birth place and date and name match up.

Name: Louisa M Barnes
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Calne
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 68

However, I can only find her on the 1891 and 1901 censuses when she is already married. Both show her as born in Broad Hinton, which is relatively close to Calne. Any ideas on why I can't find her on the 1871 and 1881 censuses?

Merry Xmas everybody!

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this poss here

1881 Keepers Lodge, Bowood, Wiltshire

William BARNES 41 Malpas, Cheshire, Park & Game Keeper
Mary BARNES 43 Malpas, Cheshire,
Arthur Edward BARNES 17 Bodfari, Denbigh, Wales Accountants Clerk
Louisa Mary BARNES 14 Bowood, Wiltshire, Scholar
Alice Worth BARNES 3 Bowood, Wiltshire,


about a mile from calne

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you got the marriage cert as it will prove her father william ?

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No, I haven't - actually I couldn't seem to find a fitting marriage on Ancestry.co.uk.

I wondered about the Bowood census as well, seems a long way from Broad Hinton but it is very close to Calne...if that census was correct then this is the fitting 1870s census.

Name: Lucy Mary Barnes
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Barnes
Mother's name: Mary Barnes
Gender: Female
Where born: Bowood, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Bowood
Ecclesiastical parish: Derryhill Christchurch
Town: Bowood
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration district: Calne
Sub-registration district: Calne
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 19

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think we need to find a marriage cert

you got the birth cert

Francis Scannel FOX in Newbury in 1910

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Ok, I'm thinking to check out this marriage certificate..

Name: John Joseph Fox
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Marlborough
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 176

I can't seem to find a matching Barnes married in that year or place but n the 1891 census, it shows that the first child Edward A was born in 1885 in Marlborough. Worth a go, do you think?

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anyone find the 1911 census please for these


My great grandfather was born as Francis Scannel FOX in Newbury in 1910 to John Joseph FOX a tailor from Glasgow and locally born Martha Louisa FOX

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Ok, I'm thinking to check out this marriage certificate..

Name: John Joseph Fox
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Marlborough
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 176

I can't seem to find a matching Barnes married in that year or place but n the 1891 census, it shows that the first child Edward A was born in 1885 in Marlborough. Worth a go, do you think?

Marriages Dec 1884

Fox John Joseph Marlbro' 5a 176
Sadler Martha Louisa Marlborough 5a 176

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this them

1891 winchester ? , Ludgershall

John J Fox 32 Tailor, Scotland
Martha L Fox 26 Broad Hinton, Wiltshire
Edward A Fox 6 Marlborough
Harriet V Fox 3 Ludgershall, Wiltshire
Charles R Fox 1 Ludgershall, Wiltshire
Andrew J Fox 4/12 Ludgershall, Wiltshire


1901 High St, Ludgershall, Wiltshire

John J Fox 43 tailor, scotland
Martha Fox 35 Broad Town, Wiltshire
Edward Fox 17 Marlborough, Wiltshire
Chas Fox 13 Ludgershall, Wiltshire
Andrew J Fox 10 Ludgershall, Wiltshire
Alfred Fox 4 Ludgershall, Wiltshire
Joanna Fox 1 Ludgershall, Wiltshire
John Skinner 33 railway blacksmith, Malmesbury, Wiltshire
Herbert Slater 40 bricklayer labourer, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
Annie Fox 8 Ludgershall, Wiltshire

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Those censuses are the ones I was talking about but what makes you think Herbert Slater could be a brother? It says boarder on the Census and they are born in totally different parts of the country.

It seems too much of a coincidence that he would have changed his name to BARNES and at the same time there was someone born a BARNES with his mother's first names nearby and on the right year, don't you think?

The fact there's a John Joseph Fox and Martha Louisa married in Marlborough in the same year is interesting but the only Martha Louisa Sadler I can seem to find is Tamworth born and that doesn't really match up with the info on the census does it?

I was under the impression that another relative had FRANCIS S Fox''s birth certificate but it turns out it's his death certificate, the birth certificate should have his mother's maiden name on right?

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altered it sorry thought matha was a slater misread it she sadler

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extracted christening

MARTHA LOUISA SADLER
Christening: 18 OCT 1868 Fyfield By Marlborough, Wiltshire,

Father: ALBERT SADLER
Mother: EMMA

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think albert might be dead by 1881 and emma remarries

Marriages Sep 1876
Adams Jabes Marlbro' 5a 153
Adams Jabez Marlbro' 5a 153
Sadler Emma Marlbro' 5a 153


Jabez ADAMS 42 Devizes, Wiltshire, General Labourer & Rag And Bone Collector
Emma ADAMS 34 Marlborough, Wiltshire,
William John ADAMS Son 4 Marlborough, Wiltshire,
Fanny ADAMS Daur 2 Marlborough, Wiltshire,
Emma ADAMS Daur 1 Marlborough, Wiltshire,
Albert SADLER Step Son 12 Broad Town, Wiltshire, Scholar
Walter SADLER Step Son 7 Marlborough, Wiltshire,


but where martha ?

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poss first marriage

Marriages Sep 1867

Sadler Albert Marlbro' 5a 125
Wyatt Emma Marlbro 5a 125

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any of the birth certs should have mother maiden name on but if you only clue is that one of the sons changed his name to barnes well it could be any of his father mother or granmother maiden name or just didnt want fox ?