Edith Tromans b 1870---NL to add info from birth certif

[Northern Lass]

Can someone search for an Elizabeth Tromans please at Spinners end in 1871

I have the certif for Edith tromans

she is the dau of this Elizabeth here I believe
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =387626221

sister is Hannah here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =567811922

In 1871 there is an Edith Tromans aged 11 months Niece in Thomas and Hannah`s Household, she is still there in 1881 but now called Edith Sidaway

1881. 5 Newtown Street, Rowley regis
Thomas Sidaway, head, 41, Chain maker
Hannah, wife, 42,
Emma J, daur, 19,
Sarah, daur, 16,
Anne? daur, 14,
Edith, daur, 10,
All born Rowley Regis

or does she die......
1870
TROMANS Elizabeth Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/26/438

Deaths Jun 1870
Tromans Elizabeth 50 Dudley 6c 12

that age for Elizabeth puts a dob at 1820
the Elizabeth dau of John and Elizabeth is 1835 and she is only on 1841
so is Edith dau of Elizabeth dau of John and Elizabeth

1841 at New Town, Rowley Regis
John Tromans, 25, Labourer
Elizebeth Tromans, 25
George Tromans, 7
Elizebeth Tromans, 5
Hannah Tromans, 4
Mary Tromans, 2
Edwin Tromans ,10 Months
All born in County.

1851 : New Town, Rowley Regis
John Troman. Head, 39, Warehouseman
Elizabeth Troman, Wife, 39
George Troman, Son, 17
Hannah Troman, Daur, 14
Mary Ann Troman, Daur, 12
Edwin Troman, Son, 10
Thomas Troman, Son, 7
John Troman, Son, 5
Ellen Troman, Daur, 3
All Born in Rowley Regis

1861 : Spinners End
John Troman, Head, 49, Clerk in gas tubes works
Elizabeth Troman, Wife, 49
George Troman, Son, 27
Mary Ann Troman, Daur, 22
Edwin Troman, Son 20, Chain maker
Thomas Troman, Son, 17
John Troman, Son, 15
Ellen Troman, Son, 13
Sarah Ann Troman, Daur, 9
Emma Troman, Daur, 6
All born Rowley Regis


on certif the info is

30 April 1870 Spinners end Rowley Regis
Edith girl mother Elizabeth tromans X of Elizabeth tromans mother spinners end

somat odd

[Jimmy]

1871. Reddal Hill Villa, Rowley Regis.
Elizabeth Tromans 59. Widow.
George Tromans 37.
Sarah Tromans 19.
Emma Tromans 16.

1871. Reddal Hill Row Rowley Regis. (Follows Spinners End.)
Thomas Sidaway 32. Chain maker. Coseley.
Hannah Sidaway 33.
John Sidaway 10.
Jane E Sidaway 9.
Elizh S Sidaway 6.
Annie Sidaway 4.
Edith Tromans 11 Months. Niece.

All others born Rowley Regis.

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1859.
SIDAWAY Thomas, TROMANS Hannah, Amblecote, Holy Trinity, Dudley Register Office. 015/001/425.

[linell]

1871. Reddal Hill Villa, Rowley Regis.
Elizabeth Tromans 59. Widow.
George Tromans 37.
Sarah Tromans 19.
Emma Tromans 16.

I wonder if Edith born 1870 is Emma above's daughter, being as she must have been only 15, maybe Granny Elizabeth was recorded as Mother

Or could she be George's daughter, was he a Widower, was his wife Elizabeth

Linell.

[Jimmy]

Possible death for John,

Deaths Sep 1867.
Tromans John . 56. Dudley 6c. 10.

[Jimmy]

George was unmarried in 1871.

[Jimmy]

I think it looks like Elizabeth was a naughty widow lady, that's why only Elizabeths name is on the birth cert, or it could have been one of the daughters.

[linell]

LOL Jimmy, Elizabeth the Widow was aged 59 in 1871. It has to be another Elizabeth, one of her sons maybe? Perhaps George could be the father Or as I said earlier, Elizabeth was the Grandmother but recorded as Mother Any ideas Jan

Linell.

[linell]

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1859.
SIDAWAY Thomas, TROMANS Hannah, Amblecote, Holy Trinity, Dudley Register Office. 015/001/425.

Witnesses to the Marriage of Thomas and Hannah were Mary Ann Tromans and Joseph Salt.

Linell.

[Northern Lass]

I wondered if it was Elizabeth the mother but then she would be too Old at 59 in 1871.
So it could be Emma

what is odd is that it just says Elizabeth Tromans not formally such and such
which if she was married it normally does

I think it is part of this family
does that Elizabeth of theirs die betw 1841 and 1851
as she could have left home before 1851 ..old enough.

Where is Elizabeth in 1871?
that death in 1870 is deffo aged 50
and not spinners lane res

[Northern Lass]

I am going to put Unknown Unknown on and then Edith attached
with a note
so as not to waste the info on the birth certif

there is an Elizabeth Tromans aged 15 on the 1851 servant RR
but then there are loads

any ideas?