*Arc tbc* ---Pensnett Family Poser - Black Country Bugle

[MarkCDodd]

Lets see if we can solve this one for the lady.

Sarah Jane Jones married John Jones ont he 24th May 1885 in the Parish Church in Dudley.

The wedding certificate and record on FamilySearch show her father's name as Joseph.

Sarah and John had the following children.

Mary Emma
Fanny
John Joseph
William Henry
Joseph Henry
Leah

Her tombstone, which I found on Ancestry, shows she died on the 24th June 1943 at 82 years of age, meaning she was born the first half of 1861.

This is her family in the 1911 census.


1911 census transcription details for: 65 Church St Pensnett
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN17514 RG78PN1070 RD373 SD3 ED13 SN160

Reg. District: Stourbridge Sub District: Kingswinford
Parish: Kingswinford Enum. District: 13
Address: 65 Church St Pensnett
County: Worcestershire

JONES, John Head Married M 49 1862 Coal Miner Hewer Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, Sarah Jane Wife Married 26 years F 49 1862 Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, Fanny Daughter Single F 24 1887 Assistant In Brick - Making Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, John Son Single M 21 1890 Colliery Pumper Under - Ground Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, William Henry Son Single M 17 1894 Cager - On In Coal Mine Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, Joseph Henry Son M 13 1898 School Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, Leah Daughter F 11 1900 School Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, Horace Grand - Son M 5 1906 School Staffordshire Kingswinford

I believe this is her in 1861.

1861 census transcription details for: Birmingham Road, Oldbury
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 2022 Folio: 98 Page: 11

Reg. District: West Bromwich Sub District: 2 Oldbury
Parish: Oldbury Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: Oldbury City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Birmingham Road, Oldbury
County: Staffordshire

JONES, Joseph Head Married M 28 1833 Glass Gatherer Smethwick Staffordshire
JONES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1833 Newbold on Avon Warwickshire
JONES, Eliza Ann Daughter F 1 1860 Oldbury Worcestershire
JONES, Sarah J Daughter F 0 (3M) 1861 Oldbury Worcestershire
BIRD, Sarah Visitor Unmarried F 15 1846 General Servant Sponlane Staffordshire

and this would be them in 1871

1871 census transcription details for: Arthur Street, Great, Harborne
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 3087 Folio: 156 Page: 53

Reg. District: Kings Norton Sub District: Harborne
Parish: Harborne Enum. District: 14
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Arthur Street, Great, Harborne
County: Worcestershire

JONES, Joseph Head M 38 1833 Staffordshire
JONES, Elizabeth Wife F 40 1831 Warwickshire
JONES, Sarah J Daughter F 10 1861 Staffordshire
JONES, Samel Son M 8 1863 Staffordshire
JONES, Lizzie Daughter F 6 1865 Staffordshire
JONES, William Son M 4 1867 Staffordshire

That would make her mother Elizabeth.

Any other suggestions before we go hunting who Elizabeth might be....

P.S. My Grandmother Ford lived in Great Arthur Street. Spooky.....

[Northern Lass]

any more info on the marriage certif Mark?

have you viewed it

wits
ages of couple
occupation of father

etc

cos I can look at that later in week

[Northern Lass]

we have them here

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =712774187

[Northern Lass]

1861 Church Street, Kingswinford
JONES, Joseph Head Married M 28 1833 Coal Miner Shropshire
JONES, Frances Wife Married F 26 1835 Pensnett Staffordshire
JONES, John Henry Son M 6 1855 Pensnett Staffordshire
JONES, Benjaman Son M 4 1857 Pensnett Staffordshire
JONES, Jonathan Son M 2 1859 Pensnett Staffordshire

1871 Church Street, Kingswinford trans on ancestry as 1871, Joseph Morones 39. Miner.
JONES, Joseph M Head M 39 1832 Shropshire Miner
JONES, Frances Wife F 38 1833 Staffordshire
JONES, John Hy Son M 16 1855 Staffordshire
JONES, Benjamin Son M 14 1857 Staffordshire
JONES, Jonathan Son M 12 1859 Staffordshire
JONES, Sarah J Daughter F 9 1862 Staffordshire
JONES, Joseph Son M 4 1867 Staffordshire
JONES, William H Son M 3 1868 Staffordshire

1881 Church Street, Kingswinford (Stafford)
JONES, Joseph Head Married M 48 1833 Coal Miner Shropshire
JONES, Frances Wife Married F 47 1834 Kingswinford Staffordshire
JONES, Benjamin Son Single M 23 1858 Coal Miner Kingswinford Staffordshire
JONES, Jonathan Son Single M 21 1860 Coal Miner Kingswinford Staffordshire
JONES, Jane Daughter Single F 19 1862 Kingswinford Staffordshire
JONES, Joseph Son Single M 15 1866 Coal Miner Kingswinford Staffordshire
JONES, William Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar Kingswinford Staffordshire
JONES, Samuel Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Kingswinford Staffordshire

Marriage info added by Jan and looked up at archives by Maggie Smith
26.09.1852 - St Edmund, Dudley
By Banns
Joseph Merchant Jones (x), 20, B, Miner, of Dudley, Fathr William Jones, Miner
Fanny Oliver (x), 20?, S, of Dudley, Father Jonathan Oliver, Miner
Wit : William Hughes (x) and Louisa Parton (x)

[Northern Lass]

Same street in 1911

1911 census transcription details for: 65 Church St Pensnett
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN17514 RG78PN1070 RD373 SD3 ED13 SN160

Reg. District: Stourbridge Sub District: Kingswinford
Parish: Kingswinford Enum. District: 13
Address: 65 Church St Pensnett
County: Worcestershire

JONES, John Head Married M 49 1862 Coal Miner Hewer Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, Sarah Jane Wife Married 26 years F 49 1862 Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, Fanny Daughter Single F 24 1887 Assistant In Brick - Making Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, John Son Single M 21 1890 Colliery Pumper Under - Ground Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, William Henry Son Single M 17 1894 Cager - On In Coal Mine Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, Joseph Henry Son M 13 1898 School Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, Leah Daughter F 11 1900 School Staffordshire Kingswinford
JONES, Horace Grand - Son M 5 1906 School Staffordshire Kingswinford

[Northern Lass]

Fanny prob called after her Mother Frances

who wants to know this Mark?
was it in the Bugle?

[nessa]

Hi all,

Thank you for the prompt replies, I put the letter in the Black Country Bugle, looking for the Jones family who all seem to live in Church Street pensnett. I have SJJ wedding certificate, I was hoping to confirm that frances was her mother, I know Joseph was her father but have never heard of the name Merchant attached to him, my mother seems to think Joseph's father was Thomas but on BCC the name was William.

I have the census's for the family living in Church Street Pensnett.

Nessa

[Northern Lass]

Hi all,

Thank you for the prompt replies, I put the letter in the Black Country Bugle, looking for the Jones family who all seem to live in Church Street pensnett. I have SJJ wedding certificate, I was hoping to confirm that frances was her mother, I know Joseph was her father but have never heard of the name Merchant attached to him, my mother seems to think Joseph's father was Thomas but on BCC the name was William.

I have the census's for the family living in Church Street Pensnett.

Nessa

Hi nessa can you post the info on the marriage for SJj and hubby pls
then we can add it to BCC

Mark will be on later ....what else can we look up.....

the birth certif would give you more detail.

I think that is the right Sarah the address is Kingswinford and then when married same

so do you agree that is her family?

who are wits on cert you have?
and occup of father?

[Northern Lass]

On this does it show his middle name

1871 Church Street, Kingswinford
trans on ancestry as 1871, Joseph Morones 39. Miner.
JONES, Joseph M Head M 39 1832 Shropshire Miner
JONES, Frances Wife F 38 1833 Staffordshire
JONES, John Hy Son M 16 1855 Staffordshire
JONES, Benjamin Son M 14 1857 Staffordshire
JONES, Jonathan Son M 12 1859 Staffordshire
JONES, Sarah J Daughter F 9 1862 Staffordshire
JONES, Joseph Son M 4 1867 Staffordshire
JONES, William H Son M 3 1868 Staffordshire

any bapt for Joseph
maybe William is his adopted father by marriage to his mother
his father maybe a
Thomas....

or is it just mistrans from JOnes
if you are near archives that marriage for Joseph can be looked up...

Marriage info added by Jan and looked up at archives by Maggie Smith
26.09.1852 - St Edmund, Dudley
By Banns
Joseph Merchant Jones (x), 20, B, Miner, of Dudley, Fathr William Jones, Miner
Fanny Oliver (x), 20?, S, of Dudley, Father Jonathan Oliver, Miner
Wit : William Hughes (x) and Louisa Parton (x)

[Northern Lass]

Going to flag to archive this unless anymore info is needed

If you need anything else nessa do ask

[nessa]

Hi,

Thanks again for the help, on the marriage certificate John Jones father was Thomas Jones carpenter, John was a m iner, Sarah jane Jones father was Joseph Jones also miner.
Wit were William Henry jones wrote his name

Rosanna Johnston x possibly sarah janes aunt

Wedding May 24th 1885 Parish Church Dudley after Banns called

I wrote to the Dudley register office to see if they had the birth certificate for Sarah jane, but they couldn't find any matches with the information I gave them.
As always thank you for your help.

Nessa

[Northern Lass]

Have contacted the regis office will bring back with reply