1861 census--please help, still looking..26/12/ 2010

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1861 census--please help, still looking..26/12/ 2010

Post by kdp »

Hi Folks :wink:

Have 2 missing people please,

In 41 and 51 Elizabeth Malpas(s) and Benjamin Malpas(s) are living together with their children in Kingswinford.
George 1849-41
Ann 1841
Mary 1844
Maria 1847
Benjamin c1853
Elizabeth 1856

I can find neither of them in 61. However Ann appears to be in Bridgnorth as a servant. As is Mary. Maria is a servant in Kingswinford. Benjamin and Elizabeth are living with an aunt (Cox) in Kingswinford. So where's Mom and Dad??

In 71 Elizabeth is living in Kingswinford with her son Benjamin.
Now found benjamin in 71 (see below) and In 81 Benjamin appears living with his daughter Ann in Mexborough and is now a widower.

Any help gratefully received as always :P
Thanks

Kim
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Re: Missing Malpass' census 61 and 71 please

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Bit confused as to the ages of Ben and Elizabeth, is this them in 1861:-

Bromley Lane Pensnett Kingswinford

JOHN CAP Head Married 47 yrs
MARY CAP Wife " 49 yrs
JOHN CAP Son Unmarried 19 yrs
AMELIA CAP Daughter " 17 yrs
ELIZABETH CAP " " 13 yrs
JANE CAP " " 11 yrs
JEMIMA CAP " " 8 yrs
RICHARD PARGETER Nephew " 13 yrs
WILLIAM PARGETER " " 11 yrs
BENJAMIN MALPASS " " 6 yrs
ELIZABETH MALPASS Niece " 4 yrs
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Re: Missing Malpass' census 61 and 71 please

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I found those two and a Benjamin & Elizabeth marr in Wales but does not say born Kingswinford.

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Re: Missing Malpass' census 61 and 71 please

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1871. Cresswell Rd, Mexborough.
John Williams 31. Pernsuett, Staffordshire.
Mary Williams 26. Bromley, Staffordshire.
John Williams 4. Middleton, Durham.
William Williams 2. Tequmer, Derbyshire.
Ann Williams 1. Mexbro, Yorkshire.
Benjamin Malpras 54. Boarder. Mar. Coalminer. Ludlow, Shropshire.
Ann Malpras 29. Visitor. Single. Brumly, Staffordshire.
Louma Southall 11. Niece. Pennett, Staffordshire.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1863
MALPAS Mary. WILLIAMS John. Lower Gornal, St James. Dudley Register Office. 215/001/364.

John Williams.
Groom's Birth Date 1840.
Groom's Age 23.
Bride's Name Mary Malpas.
Bride's Birth Date 1843.
Bride's Age 20.
Marriage Date 05 Oct 1863.
Marriage Place Church Of Lower Gornall, Stafford.
Groom's Father's Name William Williams.
Bride's Father's Name Benjamin Morpus.
Groom's Marital Status Single.
Bride's Marital Status Single.
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Re: Missing Malpass' census 61 and please, 61 found

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sssssssoooooooooo sorry school boy error there :oops:
Elizabeth was born 1817c
and Benjamin 1818 in shropshire.

Thank you Jimmy, thats Benjamin in 71...Thank you.

Thank you linell...not them but helps..another piece in the puzzle, where the gap is getting wider.. :?: :lol:
The pargeters keep popping up, but i cant connect them :?

apoplogies for late reply, been another hectic week. Thanks folks x
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Re: Missing Malpass' census 61 and 71 please

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linell wrote:1861 Bromley Lane Pensnett Kingswinford

JOHN CAP Head Married 47 yrs
MARY CAP Wife " 49 yrs
JOHN CAP Son Unmarried 19 yrs
AMELIA CAP Daughter " 17 yrs
ELIZABETH CAP " " 13 yrs
JANE CAP " " 11 yrs
JEMIMA CAP " " 8 yrs
RICHARD PARGETER Nephew " 13 yrs
WILLIAM PARGETER " " 11 yrs
BENJAMIN MALPASS " " 6 yrs
ELIZABETH MALPASS Niece " 4 yrs


kdp wrote:The pargeters keep popping up, but i cant connect them :?


I needed a challenge so

1851 Pensnett, Kingswinford
PARGATER, Caroline Head Widow F 21 1830 Kingswinf Staffordshire
PARGATER, Rehoda Mother-In-Law Widow F 70 1781 Stourbridge Worcestershire
PARGATER, Richard Son M 3 1848 Kingswinford Staffordshire
PARGATER, William Son M 2 1849 Kingswinford Staffordshire

so who was the short lived husband?
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Maths girl wrote: 1851 Pensnett, Kingswinford
PARGATER, Caroline Head Widow F 21 1830 Kingswinf Staffordshire
PARGATER, Rehoda Mother-In-Law Widow F 70 1781 Stourbridge Worcestershire
PARGATER, Richard Son M 3 1848 Kingswinford Staffordshire
PARGATER, William Son M 2 1849 Kingswinford Staffordshire

so who was the short lived husband?


Possible
1846 PARGETER Edward JONES Caroline Wordsley, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 018/002/364

How awkward can you get?
Death 1
Edward Pargeter
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 18

Death 2
Edward Pargeter
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 18

Presumably death 1 is the husband as dead before Census?
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Maths girl wrote: Death 2
Edward Pargeter
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Stourbridge
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Volume: 18

Presumably death 1 is the husband as dead before Census?



Death 2
1851 Wordsley, Kingswinford
PARGETER, Edward Married M 21 1830 Cordwainer Kingswinford Staffordshire
PARGETER, Sarah Wife Married F 20 1831 Tipton Staffordshire

1850
PARGETER Edward BAKER Sarah Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/002/425
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Maths girl wrote:
1851 Pensnett, Kingswinford
PARGATER, Caroline Head Widow F 21 1830 Kingswinf Staffordshire
PARGATER, Rehoda Mother-In-Law Widow F 70 1781 Stourbridge Worcestershire
PARGATER, Richard Son M 3 1848 Kingswinford Staffordshire
PARGATER, William Son M 2 1849 Kingswinford Staffordshire

so who was the short lived husband?



1841 Pensnett, Kingswinford
PARGETER, Rhoda F 65 1776 Staffordshire
PARGETER, Edward M 15 1826 Staffordshire Coal Miner
DUNN, George M 15 1826 Staffordshire Coal Miner
DUNN, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Staffordshire
SKELDING, Levi M 5 1836 Staffordshire Coal Miner
WATERFIELD, William M 15 1826 Staffordshire Coal Miner
GRAINGER, Joseph M 5 1836 Staffordshire
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Maths girl wrote:Possible
1846 PARGETER Edward JONES Caroline Wordsley, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 018/002/364


There are Three possible CAroline JOnes of roughly the right age in that area in 1841
Wordsley, Kingswinford
JONES, Thos M 40 1801 Staffordshire
JONES, Mary F 40 1801
JONES, Elizabeth F 15 1826 Staffordshire
JONES, Caroline F 15 1826 Staffordshire
JONES, Thos M 9 1832
JONES, John M 5 1836
JONES, Susannah F 3 1838

Bromley, Kingswinford
JONES, Richd M 30 1811 Staffordshire
JONES, Jane F 30 1811 Staffordshire
JONES, Caroline F 10 1831 Staffordshire
JONES, Emma F 9 1832 Staffordshire
JONES, Wm M 4 1837 Staffordshire
JONES, James M 1 1840 Staffordshire
PARRISH, James M 75 1766 Staffordshire

Tansey Green, Kingswinford
JONES, John M 50 1791
JONES, Elizh F 50 1791 Staffordshire
JONES, John M 20 1821 Staffordshire
JONES, Moses M 15 1826 Staffordshire
JONES, Caroline F 10 1831 Staffordshire
JONES, Emma F 5 1836 Staffordshire

MITCHELL, John M 25 1816 Staffordshire
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Maths girl wrote:
Maths girl wrote:Possible
1846 PARGETER Edward JONES Caroline Wordsley, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 018/002/364

Bromley, Kingswinford
JONES, Richd M 30 1811 Staffordshire
JONES, Jane F 30 1811 Staffordshire
JONES, Caroline F 10 1831 Staffordshire
JONES, Emma F 9 1832 Staffordshire
JONES, Wm M 4 1837 Staffordshire
JONES, James M 1 1840 Staffordshire
PARRISH, James M 75 1766 Staffordshire


Long shot connection
1838
MALPASS Benjamin PARRISH Elizabeth Wordsley, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 018/001/152

Malpass married Parrish 1838 -- Parrish living with (grandaughter?) Caroline Jones who married Pargeter1846?


Jane and Elizabeth sisters? daughter of James Parrish 1766?
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Re: Missing Malpass' census 61 and 71 please

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Wow Maths girl well done you :grin:

The pargeters have been popping up for a long time with the parrish family one way or another, and i've not been able to connect them.
I'm confused now lol
Jane Jones and Elizabeth Malpass are sisters nee parrish..

So Caroline jones married Edward Pargeter who died in 1850? Then the children where farmed out to the rest of the family in following census...Then from what i can make Richard Pargeter ( Carolines son) Went on to marry Annie (Mary Ann) Pargeter( who was Jane and Elizabeths brothers son!) in 1892.

Thank you :lol: :?:
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Hello kdp,

I've sent you a pm as all these Pargeters belong to me :P
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BC Wench wrote:Hello kdp,

I've sent you a pm as all these Pargeters belong to me :P


hey great!!

Kdp has joined BCC so perhaps we can get your connections between you on
and show that you both connect :wink:
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Am working on it NL :wink:
these pargeters are confusing me :lol:
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