*Archived * -John Henry Moore

[Sharon]

Hi, I'm Sharon and looking for information on my father paternal line
John Henry Moore m Mary Harris Dec 23rd 1888 at Reddall Hill Cradley Heath
John Henry Moore m Anne Turner May 7th 1854 at Oldswinford.

grandad, gt grandad & gt, gt grandad all named John Henry Moore...........

[Northern Lass]

Hi Sharon have moved this to the Black country Genealogy section and we can dive in from here and help you!

So the info going back you need from this couple John Henry Moore m Anne Turner May 7th 1854 at Oldswinford.?

What do you have already and what do you need? do you have his father? his mother? her father ? her mother

no point in giving you stuff you have.

are you ok on all their children? do you have them
obviously you have your John Henry their son but sibs you got them?

give it up gal! we ready and waitin!

Hi, I'm Sharon,searching mainly for MOORE of Cradley/Cradley Heath, If any of you lovely people find the birth of my gt gt grandad Moore, I'll be thrilled!
Let the friendships begin!

so presume this one you are looking for is the one married in 1854....
Have you looked up this marriage if not we can look at who the father is

1854
MOORE John TURNER Anne Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/004/490

have you him on the census with his parents prior to marriage?
what age is he coming out at?

[Northern Lass]

On the 1861 census there is one that fits
John Moore wife Ann
he is b abt 1829 Cradley

On the 1871 is his son John H Moore b abt 1867 age 4

so presume that is yours. Eldest son Charles on both census then a Thomas

possible one at 1841 Oldswinford Father William bro Henry but dob set at 1832

need to know his father from that marriage
and tie his dob down as it is all ovr the show!

[linell]

Hi Sharon and NL, I found Ann Turner's family in Light Green Cradley 1841
Richard Turner 1790 Labourer not born in County
Hannah 1795 Yes
Martha 1825 Yes
Eliza 1826 Yes
Richard 1828 Yes
Ann 1830 Yes
Emma 1832 Yes
Benjamin 1835 Yes

From the Cradley Vicar's Notebook of 1857
John Moore works Iron Works (would be Corngreaves) No Church (ie. would be Non Conformist,) works half days on Sundays at Netherton. Wife Ann No Church daughter of Turner at 582A. Charles son 2 and a baby Thomas.

[linell]

Still searching for your John Moore, there is only one family of Moores that I can find in Cradley 1841, living in Park Side:-
Joseph Moore 50 Chainmaker, all family Yes born in County
Nanny 44
Henry 15
Martha 13
Fanny 11
Caroline 8
Harriet 7
Rhoda 6

I would hazard a guess that Henry is John Henry? Either that or John is not at home, working somewhere? HTH from linell.

[Northern Lass]

I am struggling with that 1841 for John.
I think he is a John Moore or maybe a Henry as you say

I will look up the marriage and see who father is that would help

cant see an obvious bapt..

great stuff on the cradley notes Linell
and Anns line excellent!

Wot about the 1851 anyone see this John Moore or John Henry Moore b abt....1827 - 1829


I will try and get this on connections asap

[linell]

Hi NL the only John I can find in 1851 is John Moore aged 29 Widower Nailer Lodging with Henry and Ellen Hackett in Yorks Yard Birmingham Street Halesowen. I suppose that could be him? linell.

[linell]

Also found a reference to a Joseph Moore renting a pew for 9d a Quarter Cradley Baptist Church 1822 - 1825. The children are not listed, but as we know Baptist Registers are hard to come by. The children could have been named at another Baptist Chapel, there were a few around the district. I found a reference to Richard Turner in the Cradley St Peter Register, the entry said he was from RR. HTH from linell.

[linell]

Found a bit more from the Vicar's Notebook, Rhoda Moore aged 6 in 1841 Married Samuel Willetts. The entry for 1857 says that Rhoda has a nephew Charles Moore aged 9 and that her mother Ann is now a Widow, they are both in Samuel and Rhoda's household. I wonder if Charles Moore aged 9 in 1857 could be the son of John Henry's first Marriage? If we could find marriages for the Moore daughters, there maybe some clues from the Vicar's Notebook as to a connection with John Henry Moore? linell.

[linell]

Charles Moore aged 9 living with his Aunt Rhoda Willetts in 1857 is the illegitimate son of Fanny Moore, baptised Halesowen 1849, so no leads there. linell.

[Northern Lass]

Still searching for your John Moore, there is only one family of Moores that I can find in Cradley 1841, living in Park Side:-
Joseph Moore 50 Chainmaker, all family Yes born in County
Nanny 44
Henry 15
Martha 13
Fanny 11
Caroline 8
Harriet 7
Rhoda 6

I would hazard a guess that Henry is John Henry? Either that or John is not at home, working somewhere? HTH from linell.

I think this may well be the correct family
I will see what the marriage says in 1854? for father for John Henry Moore.
That name Charles links back to this family that Linell has found a son for Fanny above?
Sister of Rhoda
It has to be a significant name
So perhaps he is a Henry John Moore and used the name John Moore in 1861 and 1871

[linell]

Yes that's what I thought NL, have to wait until SKS has been to the Archives, has know one on this list got the Discs for Old Swinford? Best Wishes Linell.

[Northern Lass]

I have but not up to that date but I have put it on the list for a look up.

[Sharon]

I am absolutely overwhelmed!
After a few years of nothing, you lovely people do this in less than 24hours!
A BIG thank you ......

Apologies for posting in the wrong place...Dont know my way around yet...

Right, this will be long and boring, but this is all i know.
My grandad, John Henry Moore, known as Henry m. Cissie Evans 5th Aug 1917 Reddall Hill Cradley Heath. (have marriage cert) His dad named as John Henry, labourer deceased.
Grandad was born 28th August 1891 Lodge Forge Cradley to Mary (nee Harris) and John Henry Moore (have cert.)
Mary Harris & John Henry Moore m 23rd Dec. 1888 at Reddall Hill. He was 21, a horse driver living at Loamey Town, dad John Henry Moore, also Horse driver. (have cert.)
This John Henry b.12th July 1867 Factory(?) Cradley to John Moore & Ann Moore formerly Turner.
Anne Turner & John married at Oldswinford Parish Church 7th May 1854. He was 24 & a labourer. Dad was William, also a labourer. Witnesses were Thomas & Mary Moore.

Now I'm stuck!

Have no death info at all on anyone. Cant find the mother or birthplace/date of the Oldswinford John. year of birth wobbly! There was a John, father William at the same time, but that family moved to derbyshire.
The family were living at 151 new Street on the 1861 census High St, cradley. cant find in 1851 or earlier. have the names of some of John & Anne's children from census
In 1901 census , a "Louisa" abt 1868 is listed as wife.....I've no idea!
There is another Moore family in the area at same time....

Thank you once again....
Sharon

[Sharon]

Sharon again...
thank you again linell and northern lass
to answer some of your conversation.....
Think the Park Side family are "the other lot", & no obvious relation. This one was a chainmaker, my lot are common labourers!
I think the Turner link may be correct linnell-how exciting! I have unproven info that Anne was baptised 3rd Oct 1830 at Rowley regis, parents Richard c 1790 & Hannah c 1793.
My dad was baptised at Graingers Lane Church, Cradley Heath, so guess they were methodists.

Cant BELIEVE you have the vicar's notebook!

May I ask ..what does the "582A" mean after "daughter of Turner at.."
Is , HTH.a person, or your special code!

& thanks , in advance,to the mysterious SKS!