COMPLETED---James Harvey /Tromans query

[Northern Lass]

you said died 1932 aged 61

so one of these might be him

1871
HARVEY James Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/46/433
HARVEY James Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/46/72

again you could contact regis office and say you only want it if father is George

[HarvAdel]

Re. James Harvey-- possible son of George 1844, son of William 1814, Oldbury

1911 census Wingate Durham
Harvey james 1871 age 40 coal miner
Harvey rebecca 1873 age 38
Harvey clara 1895 age16
Harvey rose 1897 age 14
Harvey Arthur 1903 age 8
Harvey Hilda 1907 age 4
Harvey Maud 1909 age 2

1901 census Wingate Durham
Harvey James 1872 age 28 Yorkshire N.K.
Harvey Rebecca 1873 age 28 Spennymoor
Harvey Clara 1896 age 5
Harvey Rose 1898 age 3
Harvey James 1901 5months

1891 census Darfield Barnsley Yorkshire
Harvey James 1873 age 18 born Oldbury coal miner boarder
Allington william 42 coal miner sallop
Allington Phebe 57 tipton
Dunn Joseph 32 coal miner tipton
Harding Henry 31 coal miner warwickshire
Laurence Job 27 coal miner staffs
Laurence Enoch 19 coal miner staffs
Allington Mercy 10

MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE
Easington Wingate November 18 1893 James Harvey 21 bachelor miner father George Harvey Blacksmith
Rebecca Macnay 20 spinster father Thomas Macnay miner
James Harvey his X mark witness William Harvey
Rebecca Macnay signed witness Ann Rudkin

Deaths recorded oct- Nov- Dec 1932 James Harvey age 61 Easington Durham

[Northern Lass]

interesting that name Clara there too

[Northern Lass]

Ok I have looked up that marriage for Clara Parkes and ....................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t925JwYXhVA


Ta dah!!

it is our George Harvey....I am sure of it
so that George in 1891 is this one

15 Feb 1880 St Thomas Dudley
George Harvey 34 widower Blacksmith Dudley William Harvey Blacksmith
Clara Parkes 29 spinster Dudley John Parkes dead moulder
banns
George signed
X Clara Parkes
Wit- James Beardsmore / X Esther Beardsmore

So that looks like his 2nd marriage

So either James is his son and son of Eliza Tromans
or
James is son of Clara and maybe George
or
James is not son of either

odd he calls his dau Clara
maybe he got on well with his stepmother......

I know father is George on James marriage
so perhaps George had an affair with Clara whilst eliza alive!

I have contacted the regis office re the ones in 1871 births but not heard back yet

[Antie Em]

Well done NL - Have a gold star
Was that a Fanfare I heard ??????

[Northern Lass]

Val and Harvadel wot u think?

good eh?

[linell]

Yeah, well done Jan, you've cracked it.

Linell.

[HarvAdel]

Yes well done Jan? (northernlass) I always thought that the reason I couldnt find James on the 1881 census was that HIS father George had died so I was looking for widows instead of widowers in Staffordshire.
I will make some assumptions here and say that George married Clara Parkes while James was about 8-9, He doesnt follow the family trade of blacksmithing but moves to Barnsley to work as a coal miner living with the Allington family.I know that Phebe Dunn marries a William Harvey (1863) in 1883 and she is the daughter of Phoebe Allington.In 1891 the are living very near to where James is boarding. Both these Harveys move to Wingate in the early 1890s and both have a Clara and a Joseph as children.I think these 2 are related maybe cousins or even brothers ? What do you think ??
What about Frank and Edwin aren't they too old to fit in as they are 14 and 12 in 1891.
It still may be too early to call.
Lastly Northernlass, where do you fit in with the Harvey family and who are you descended from ?

Michael Harvey

[Northern Lass]

Deaths Jun 1877
HARVEY Eliza 33 W. Bromwich 6b 451

this could be Frank
age bit out on census

1879
PARKES Frank Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/61/93

1878
PARKES Edwin Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/59/86

2nd marriage tbc...1880. HARVEY George, PARKES Clara, Dudley, St Thomas, Dudley Register Office. 204/035/400.

1880
HARVEY Herbert Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/62/298

1891. Titford Road, Oldbury.
George Harvey 47. Blacksmith.
Clara Harvey 43.
Frank Harvey 14.
Edwin Harvey 12.
Herbert Harvey 10.
Olive Harvey 8. Langley.
Pheobe Harvey 4.
Arthur Harvey 2.
Samuel Harvey 9/12.

Others born Oldbury.

looks to me like Frank Edwin are kids of Clara Parkes and probably George

and maybe James born about 1871 is too.

That marriage for William Harvey you mention do you have it?

is there a birth for a James Parkes around 1871?

I do not link to the Harveys I add to the Black Country Connections tree
click on my website link to read about that.
Pm me if you want to know more
it would be good to get these Harveys on

How do you and Val link?

[Northern Lass]

This could be him our James

see clara thread

1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
DEARN James Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/48/85

[westbromval]

who is this have go lost

[Northern Lass]

This could be him our James

see clara thread

1872
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
DEARN James Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/48/85

footnote this one in 1872 may die there is a death for a James dearn same area in 1873 aged 1
see Clara parkes thread

1871
HARVEY James Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/46/433
HARVEY James Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/46/72


not sure what we can do on this until we hear back from regis office


do you have that William Harvey marriage pls

[Northern Lass]

running with William Harvey on another thread

[Northern Lass]

not heard back yet so don't think we can do any more with this at mo
so flagging to archive unless otherwise advised
will bring back with any more info

[Northern Lass]

Ok heard back from the very nice gentleman at sandwell register office

1871
James Harvey ref Old /46/72

father George Harvey
mother Eliza Tromans


1880 Herbert Harvey father George mother Clara
need certif for more info

1878 Edwin Parkes no father mentioned mother Clara
need certif for more info

1879 Frank Parkes
neither Clara nor George so wrong one

I am going to send for the birth certif for that James Harvey
and will enter the details on BCC

I am going to enter the info on Wm Harvey too as I do feel that now we can connect James and Harvey that is
the marriage for Wm to Phebe dunn