COMPLETED...Phyllis Bowater b abt 1845--NL to sort

[Northern Lass]

We have 2 on BCC

one marries Edward Tromans in 1861

one marries Reuben Sidaway in 1863

I have a bapt in 1844 22 Dec Phillis of William and Elizabeth Bowater village miner

whic is which
both on free bmd
may be Clent
so can't look it up

[Maths girl]

1851 Village, Rowley Regis
BOWATER, William Head Married M 26 1825 Coal Miner Rowley Staffordshire
BOWATER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 24 1827 Nailer Rowley Staffordshire
BOWATER, William Son M 5 1846 Scholar Rowley Staffordshire
BOWATER, Sarah Daughter F 2 1849 Scholar Rowley Staffordshire
BOWATER, Joseph Son M 0 (11 MOS) 1851 Rowley Staffordshire
BOWATER, Phillie Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar Rowley Staffordshire
SMITH, Harriet Inmate Unmarried F 53 1798 Nailer Rowley Staffordshire

1861 Phyllis is down as a lodger with the Tromans three doors away from her parents.

Only one Phyllis Bowman showing in 1851 and 1861 in whole of country -- could she have married them both? first marriage annuled? husabnd dead?

[Jimmy]

1871. Rowley Rd, (Blackheath), Rowley Regis.
Reuben Sidaway 28. Coalminer.
Phillis Sidaway 26.
Elizabeth Sidaway 7.
Rebekah Sidaway 5.
Eliza Sidaway 3.
Mary I Sidaway 1.

All born Rowley Regis.

[Northern Lass]

1851 Village, Rowley Regis
BOWATER, William Head Married M 26 1825 Coal Miner Rowley Staffordshire
BOWATER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 24 1827 Nailer Rowley Staffordshire
BOWATER, William Son M 5 1846 Scholar Rowley Staffordshire
BOWATER, Sarah Daughter F 2 1849 Scholar Rowley Staffordshire
BOWATER, Joseph Son M 0 (11 MOS) 1851 Rowley Staffordshire
BOWATER, Phillie Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar Rowley Staffordshire
SMITH, Harriet Inmate Unmarried F 53 1798 Nailer Rowley Staffordshire

1861 Phyllis is down as a lodger with the Tromans three doors away from her parents.

Only one Phyllis Bowman showing in 1851 and 1861 in whole of country -- could she have married them both? first marriage annuled? husabnd dead?

I think that this Phillis in 1851 is the one lodging with William Tromans b abt 1840 and wife Nancy
in 1861
but
big age gap for Edward Tromans and Phills

1861 - Rowley Village
Samuel Tromans, Head, 68, Nailer
Martha Tromans, Wife, 58
Edward Tromans, Son, 30
Louise Tromans, Daur, 16
Lea Tromans, Daur 15
Eliza Tromans, Gr Daur, 17

the age on the 1871 though fits the one with Reuben

do we have Edward and phillis on later census pls

[Northern Lass]

Wms wife must die and he is with a Phebe on 1861
and kids are young so poss 2nd marr

[Jimmy]

1871. Rowley Rd, (Blackheath), Rowley Regis.
Reuben Sidaway 28. Coalminer.
Phillis Sidaway 26.
Elizabeth Sidaway 7.
Rebekah Sidaway 5.
Eliza Sidaway 3.
Mary I Sidaway 1.

All born Rowley Regis.

1881. 63 Birmingham Rd, Rowley Regis.
Reuben Sidaway 38.
Phillis Sidaway 36.
Elizabeth Sidaway 17.
Rebecca Sidaway 15.
Eliza Sidaway 13.
Mary J. Sidaway 11.
Ann Sidaway 8.
Reuben Sidaway 6.
Ernest Sidaway 4.

1891. Rowley Regis.
Thomas Eramo 29.
Eligh Eramo 27.
Walter Eramo 5.
John Eramo 3.
Luther Eramo 11 Weeks.
Reuben Sidaway 49. Father in law.
Phillis Sidaway 46.
Ernest Sidaway 15.
Harruet Sidaway 6.
Samuel Sidaway 2.

West Midlands Marriage 1885.
SIDAWAY Elizabeth, EVANS Thomas Blackheath, St Paul. Dudley Register Office. 012/002/123.

1901. Barrow in Furness.
Saml Siviter 34.
Retia Siviter 35.
Mary A Siviter 15.
Edith Siviter 13.
Saml Siviter 11.
Reaben Siviter 8.
Robt Siviter 6.
Ernest Siviter 4.
Reuben Sidaway 58. Widow. Relative. Blackheath.
Nicholas G Charlton 35.
Jas Rollason 45.
Jno Rollason 17.
Joseph Rollason 15.
Thos Hevitt 23.

[Northern Lass]

1871. Rowley Regis.
Edward Tromans 39. Nailer.
Philis Tromans 28.
Harriot Tromans 7.
Thomas Tromans 5.
Hannah Tromans 3.
Mary Ann Tromans 2.
Edith Tromans 2 Weeks.
Comfort Suiter 15. Niece.

All born Rowley Regis.

I am still not sure

what you think Jimmy
which Phillis marries Edward tromans
is it the one bapt 1844 parents Wm and Eliz
and living on 1861 with Tromans

but then that Siviter connection above

who is she Comfort niece to Phillis? or edward

[westbromval]

philllis was 16 years old when she married edward who was 30years old a big age gap

[Northern Lass]

philllis was 16 years old when she married edward who was 30years old a big age gap

do you have the marriage Val?

trying to work out which Phillis with parents Wm and Eliz married either

Edward Tromans
or
Reuben Sidaway

dont want to send for marriage

may be at Clent not sure

anyway of knowing via index ref vol and page no on free bmd which church?

Rocky you about with yer clent ones

[westbromval]

1861 stourbridge he mother was elizabeth smith and william bowater

[Northern Lass]

1861 stourbridge he mother was elizabeth smith and william bowater

can you post the census

cos yes a Phills is with a Wm and Elizabeth in 1851
but

in 1861 Wm is with a Phebe and Phillis is down road with tromans

[Jimmy]

may be at Clent not sure

anyway of knowing via index ref vol and page no on free bmd which church?

Stourbridge dos'nt cover Clent.

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/dist ... ridge.html

[Jimmy]

I can only see one birth reg for a Phillis Bowater, and only one in 1851.

West Midlands Birth 1844.
BOWATER Phillis. Rowley Regis. Sandwell Register Office. RR/7/392.

[Jimmy]

I am still not sure

what you think Jimmy
which Phillis marries Edward tromans
is it the one bapt 1844 parents Wm and Eliz
and living on 1861 with Tromans.

Looking at the census's Reuben Sidaway is the only one to have a dau Elizabeth.

Edward Tromans hasn't a son or dau William or Elizabeth, if thats anything to go by.

[Jimmy]

but then that Siviter connection above.

who is she Comfort niece to Phillis? or edward

There are 2 off them.
1851. Blackheath.
Comfort Siveter, age 8, Thomas, and Mary, Daughter. Rowley Regis.

1851. Rowley Village.
Comfort Siveter, age 8, Mathew, and Eva, Daughter. Rowley Regis.