*archive* Whale family

[Jimmy]

As MG posted age 9 on image.
1881.
Joseph WHALE Head M Male 33 Mile End, Middlesex, England Book Maker.
Mary Ann WHALE Wife M Female 21 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England.
Mary Ann WHALE Daur Female 2 Hackney, Middlesex, England.
William Jam. WHALE Son Male 9 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England.
5 Stonebridge Place
London, Middlesex.

[gardener]

1879
Joseph Whale 27 married Ada Susanna Brown, 21. He was a ? clicker, and his father Henry Whale a steelworker.
So different person I think.

[Jimmy]

wonder if this is the marriage his 2nd ?

Marriages Sep 1879

Brown Ada Susanna Wandsworth 1d 856
LEGGETT Charles Henry Wandsworth 1d 856
SUMNER Dorcas Mary Wandsworth 1d 856
WHALE Joseph Wandsworth 1d 856

Joseph Whale.
Age: 27.
Estimated birth year: abt 1852.
Spouse Name: Ada Susanna Brown.
Spouse Age: 21.
Record Type: Marriage.
Marriage Date: 20 Sep 1879.
Parish: St Saviour, Battersea.
County: Surrey
Borough: Wandsworth.
Father Name: Henry Whale.
Spouse Father Name: Martin Brown.

[Jimmy]

Its quite possible they never married, but what happened to William James after 1881.

[gardener]

have you got this and does it help?

1911 4 Clarissa St Haggerston
WHALE, Joseph Head Married 33 years M 63 1848 Boot Repairer London Whitechapel
WHALE E, Mary Ann Wife Married 33 years F 51 1860 London Bethnal Green
WHALE, Florence Daughter Single F 27 1884 Ruler London Hakcney
WHALE, Maud Daughter Single F 24 1887 Wire Sticthing London Shoreditch
WHALE, Ada Daughter Single F 22 1889 Playing Card Examiner London Shoreditch
WHALE, Albert Son Single M 16 1895 Wood Sawyer London Shoreditch
WHALE, Charles Son M 14 1897 Assistant Cycle Enamelling And Plating London Shoreditch
WHALE, Rose Daughter F 12 1899 School London Shoreditch


13 children 9 still living

Rose 1899
Charles 1897
Albert 1895
Ada 1889 mar in 1914
Maud 1887 mar in 1920
Lilly 1885 died Jun qtr 1886?
Florence 1884
Joseph 1882ish mar 1912
Mary Ann 1879ish
? William James

[gardener]

I think the only thing to do is get one of the birth certificates and see what Mary Ann's maiden name is.

[markwhale46]

Thanks for checking this out. I am more than 90% sure these are my relations.
Thank you Maths Girl for the 1911 census. No, I did not have this information and its a great help.
As far as the nine year old, I feel sure that he was Joseph's son from a previous marriage or relationship. There was a record of marriage banns for Joseph Whale around 1862, but I dismissed this as being the wrong guy due to him living with his mother in the 1871 census. But in ten years, its possible he married and divorced in that time.
As a new-be, I expected everything to be black and white and every one being married etc, but that's not real life.
I have to be honest, with having the Whale I thought this would be a breeze but there are way more whale's out there then I expected. Interesting though!
Very grateful to you all for checking this out.

[markwhale46]

I would say that 1878/9 is the year of marriage by the 1911 census (Married 33 years). Checked out Mary Ann's married in Wandsworth for that year and came up with a few. One possibility was Mary Ann A Allen (1d 833). But cannot link the two together.
Out of interest, can you get marriage details without purchasing a full marriage certificate?. I read somewhere that you can purchase the information without sending off for the certificate and it being cheaper?

[gardener]

Some marriages are on Ancestry now. Or if you know which church it took place in you can get a photocopy of the church record from the local archive. that is what NL does for many of the Black Country lookups. If you can't get to the archive then you can ask them to make a copy and for some places that works out cheaper than getting a copy of the certificate itself.

The 1862 marriage could be:
St James Church, Shoreditch
Joseph Whale, ag albourer, father Joseph Wale, shepherd
Hannah Turk, father Thomas Turk, farm labourer.

That does not seem to be him.

[Jimmy]

I would say that 1878/9 is the year of marriage by the 1911 census (Married 33 years). Checked out Mary Ann's married in Wandsworth for that year and came up with a few. One possibility was Mary Ann A Allen (1d 833). But cannot link the two together.
Out of interest, can you get marriage details without purchasing a full marriage certificate?. I read somewhere that you can purchase the information without sending off for the certificate and it being cheaper?

Mary Ann Amelia Allen.
Age: 20.
Estimated birth year: abt 1859.
Spouse Name: Henry Phillips.
Spouse Age: 21.
Record Type: Marriage.
Marriage Date: 02 Aug 1879.
Parish: St Peter, Battersea.
County: Surrey.
Borough: Wandsworth.
Father Name: Benjamin Tomkins Allen.
Spouse Father Name: Martin Thomas Phillips.