*Arc pending lookup*-Phoebe Hadley1815 who were her parents?

carolejcompton · Post by **carolejcompton** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:03 pm

I'm stuck, trying to find Phoebe Hadleys family. Has this been done before here? Been looking cant find anything.
Phoebe married William Layton 1837 (i found that here). But where did she come from? BCC baptism, i believe that Ann Allen was probably her mother. Phoebe, daughter of John and Mary has a listing that she married a Wakefield. Can anyone shed some light?

Thanks

peterd · Post by **peterd** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:55 pm

carolejcompton wrote:I'm stuck, trying to find Phoebe Hadleys family. Has this been done before here? Been looking cant find anything.
Phoebe married William Layton 1837 (i found that here). But where did she come from? BCC baptism, i believe that Ann Allen was probably her mother. Phoebe, daughter of John and Mary has a listing that she married a Wakefield. Can anyone shed some light?

Thanks

connects to linell ?

here what info on bcc and the link

Poss bapts PHOEBE HADLEY Christening, 24 MAY 1816. Halesowen, Worcester, Parents: JOHN HADLEY. ANN ALLEN.

Extracted, PHOEBE HADLEY Christening, 22 MAR 1818. Halesowen, Worcester, Parents: JOHN HADLEY. MARY.

Clent 18 June 1837
William X Leation otp of Rowley Regis bach
and
Phoebe X Hadley otp of Rowley Regis Sp
by banns
Wit Thomas X Ingram
Hannah X Ingram

link

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =123174979

peterd · Post by **peterd** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:57 pm

here poss the other pheobe marriage of those two christenings

HADLEY Phebe WAKEFIELD Edward 1837 Oldswinford, St Mary West Midlands Dudley Register Office 003/001/42

will get a father for this one as it after sept 1837

PHEBE HADLEY
EDWARD WAKEFIELD
Marriage: 19 NOV 1837 Old Swinford, Worcester

carolejcompton · Post by **carolejcompton** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:09 pm

I found BCC listing, but it is Phoebe daughter of Ann Allen that i think is mine? Any hints where to go to find out other info?

Jimmy · Post by **Jimmy** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:12 pm

This looks like the one who married Edward Wakefield.
1841. Halesowen.
Edward Wakefield 20. Bricklayer.
Phebe Wakefield 20.
William Wakefield 3.
Edward Wakefield 10 MO.
Samuel Swetor 65.

1851. Islington, Halesowen.
John Hadley 59. Nailmaier. Illey, Worcestershire.
Mary Hadley 58. Hawn, Worcestershire.
Edward Wakefield 33. Lodger. Bricklayer.
Phoebe Wakefield 33. Wife of Lodger. Halesowen.
William Wakefield 13.
Edward Wakefield 10.
Anne Wakefield 5.
Josephus Wakefield 4.
Elizabeth Wakefield 1.
Samuel Liveter 80. Lodger. Pauper nailmaker. Hawn, Worcestershire.

Others born Halesowen.

carolejcompton · Post by **carolejcompton** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:15 pm

Also i would appreciate a list of newspapers that may have older info in the Black Country. I live in Australia and am clueless what papers are around. I know of BC Bugle only. cheers

peterd · Post by **peterd** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:02 pm

Jimmy wrote:This looks like the one who married Edward Wakefield.
1841. Halesowen.
Edward Wakefield 20. Bricklayer.
Phebe Wakefield 20.
William Wakefield 3.
Edward Wakefield 10 MO.
Samuel Swetor 65.

1851. Islington, Halesowen.
John Hadley 59. Nailmaier. Illey, Worcestershire.
Mary Hadley 58. Hawn, Worcestershire.
Edward Wakefield 33. Lodger. Bricklayer.
Phoebe Wakefield 33. Wife of Lodger. Halesowen.
William Wakefield 13.
Edward Wakefield 10.
Anne Wakefield 5.
Josephus Wakefield 4.
Elizabeth Wakefield 1.
Samuel Liveter 80. Lodger. Pauper nailmaker. Hawn, Worcestershire.

Others born Halesowen.

Extracted, PHOEBE HADLEY Christening, 22 MAR 1818. Halesowen, Worcester, Parents: JOHN HADLEY. MARY.

so the census proves that john and mary, phoebe married edward wakefield so therefore

Poss PHOEBE HADLEY Christening, 24 MAY 1816. Halesowen, Worcester, Parents: JOHN HADLEY. ANN ALLEN

is the husband of william layton

carolejcompton wrote:I found BCC listing, but it is Phoebe daughter of Ann Allen that i think is mine? Any hints where to go to find out other info?

Carole what im trying to prove is by ruling out the phoebe that married edward wakefield, the one that married william layton, her mother most likely be ann allen as we have no direct proof she is, so the census above give us a strong possibility that ann is her mother. unless there is another pheobe we havent found ?

linell · Post by **linell** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:17 pm

1851. Islington, Halesowen.
John Hadley 59. Nailmaier. Illey, Worcestershire.
Mary Hadley 58. Hawn, Worcestershire.
Edward Wakefield 33. Lodger. Bricklayer.
Phoebe Wakefield 33. Wife of Lodger. Halesowen.
William Wakefield 13.
Edward Wakefield 10.
Anne Wakefield 5.
Josephus Wakefield 4.
Elizabeth Wakefield 1.
Samuel Liveter 80. Lodger. Pauper nailmaker. Hawn, Worcestershire.

I think Mary Wife above was Mary Siviter Married John Hadley Old Swinford 1813. Looks as though this Phoebe Wife of Wm Wakefield was daughter of Mary Siviter, not Ann Allen.

Carole the local paper was the County Express. HTH from Linell.

linell · Post by **linell** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:28 pm

Is Ann Hadley nee Allen on the 1841 Census, maybe we can find her burial?

I found this family in Tilford Lane Cakemore 1851
John Hadley HD W 46 Nail Forger RR
Ann DA U 15 Nail Forger Halesowen
Solomon BR U 28 Nail Forger (Lodger) RR

Linell.

peterd · Post by **peterd** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:00 pm

linell wrote:Is Ann Hadley nee Allen on the 1841 Census, maybe we can find her burial?

I found this family in Tilford Lane Cakemore 1851
John Hadley HD W 46 Nail Forger RR
Ann DA U 15 Nail Forger Halesowen
Solomon BR U 28 Nail Forger (Lodger) RR

Linell.

did death certs give informants pre 1851 ?

linell · Post by **linell** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:12 pm

You've got me thinking now Pete :?:

Must check the ones I have, sure they must have done :?:

We could look up the burial if we could find it. Trouble is with the name Ann, she could have been called, Annie, Hannah etc etc :?:

Later from Linell.

peterd · Post by **peterd** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:24 pm

linell wrote:You've got me thinking now Pete Must check the ones I have, sure they must have done

We could look up the burial if we could find it. Trouble is with the name Ann, she could have been called, Annie, Hannah etc etc

Later from Linell.

well if we cant crack it on here between us then ? because there no site that can match this site for the black country in geaneolgy terms and thats not bragging

Jimmy · Post by **Jimmy** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:30 pm

Possible.
1851. Upper Illy.
John Hadley 65. Nailer.
Ann Hadley 49.
Noah Hadley 68. Son. Unm. looks like 13 on image.
Joseph Smith 21. Lodger. Son in law.
Sarah Smith 22. Lodger.
Harriett Smith 3. Grand dau.
Joseph Smith 1. Grand son.
Mary Tolly 11. Visitor.
Ann Rodgers 8. Nurse.

All born Halesowen.

1841. Illy.
William Hadley 75. Nailer.
Looks like same house.
John Hadley 50. Nailer.
John Hadley 8.
Noah Hadley 4.
Fredrick Hadley 15.
Ann Hadley 45.
Ann Hadley 17.
Sarah Hadley 12.

All born in County.

carolejcompton · Post by **carolejcompton** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:16 am

On Ancestry it has marriage transcription
John Hadley
Ann Ellen
9 Nov 1812
Clent, Worcestershire

Do you think that maybe her name is spelt wrong...it is a transcript.

carolejcompton · Post by **carolejcompton** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:03 am

1861 census
Upper Illey

Ann Hadley Head 69 W
Ann Devrby (visual looks like Darby) Daur 40 Mar
Mary Coley g dau 19 Nailer
Frederick Coley g son 15 Nailer
John Coley g son 12 Nailer
Josiah Coley g son 9
Silas Coley g son 4
Winney Durby g dau 1 (visual looks like Darby)

Next door is
Noah Hadley head 24 Mar Nailer
Ellen Hadley wife 23 Mar Nailer
Harriet 1 dau

Still no link with Phoebe though. Phoebe was married in 1837 though

INTERESTING INFO
on 1841 census that was shown here by Jimmy if you look at original it has Darby and Coley as neighbours

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