COMPLETED ..........Marie unk

[Northern Lass]

not sure if this is BC area for William and marie

can we find marriage and maiden name pls
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =255350723

[mumbles]

This connects to my mothers aunt who married an Hinds.( All from Oldbury area)
The French connection is because a lot of french workers came to Oldbury to work in Glass Industry ( Chances) and married locals so you will see a lot of french born people in late 19th Censtury

[mumbles]

Do not think you will find this marriage as I tried before.
Census details are as follows:-
Thomas Hinds born 1862 married Jane Kerr :-

Jane was daughter of William Kerr born Ramsey,Scotland in 1836 and Ellen Smallman born Smethwick, Staffordshire in 1842 . They married in Smethwick, St. Pauls , in March quartile of 1860 Kings Norton vol.6c page 507
Ellen died in December quartile of 1884 Kings Norton vol.6c page 295 and William married again to a Marie ? born France about 1850 ( no record of marriage found)

1861 Census
Ref. No. RG 9 Piece 2127 , Folio 100 , Page 11, Harborne, Kings Norton,Staffordshire
Name Relation Status Gender Age Birth Place Occupation
William Kerr Head M M 25 Scotland Engine Fitter
Ellen Kerr Wife M F 20 West Bromwich, Staffs.

Address;- Oldbury Road, Harborne, Kings Norton,Staffordshire

1871 Census
Ref. No. RG 10 Piece 3088 , Folio 38 , Page 19, Harborne, Kings Norton,Staffordshire
Name Relation Status Gender Age Birth Place Occupation
William Kerr Head M M 35 Scotland Fitter @ Lighthouse Wks.
Ellen Kerr Wife M F 30 Smethwick, Staffs.
Ellen Kerr Dau U F 8 Ditto
Jane Kerr Dau U F 6 Ditto

Address;- Church Street, Harborne, Kings Norton,Staffordshire

1881 Census
Ref. No. RG 11Piece 2963 , Folio 51 , Page 31, Harborne, Kings Norton,Staffordshire
Name Relation Status Gender Age Birth Place Occupation
Ellen Kerr Wife M F 38 Smethwick, Staffs.
Ellen Kerr Dau U F 18 Ditto Dressmaker
Jane Kerr Dau U F 16 Ditto Scholar

Address;- 22, Church Street, Harborne, Kings Norton,Staffordshire


Note:-a) Ellen Kerr died in December quartile of 1884 Kings Norton vol.6c page 295


1891 Census
Ref. No. RG 12 Piece 2963 , Folio 51 , Page 31, Harborne, Kings Norton,Staffordshire
Name Relation Status Gender Age Birth Place Occupation
William Kerr Head M M 55 Ramsey, Scotland , Foreman Fitter
Sterlingshire Lighthouse Works
Marie Kerr Wife M F 41 s*@, France
Lilla Kerr Dau U F 9 Smethwick, Staffs. Scholar
William Kerr Son U M 6 Ditto Ditto

299, Oldbury Road, Harborne, Kings Norton,Staffordshire



It would appear that William left first wife and lived with Marie

[mumbles]

1901 Census 50 Bull Street West Bromwich Staffs.
William Kerr Head 66 Mechanical Engineer Retired born Scotland
Marie Kerr wife 51 born France British Subject
Lily Kerr dau 19 Milliner
William Kerr son 16 Railway Carriage Fitter
Rest born Smethwick Staffs.

1911 Census 141 Barker Street West Bromwich Staffs.
William Kerr Head 76 Pensioned Lighthouse Fitter born Stirlingshire Parish Campsie Resident
Marie Kerr wife 61 born France Resident
Lily Kerr dau 29 born Smethwick Staffs.
23 Years married no children

Marriage :-
Marie Gilbert and William Kerr married Kings Norton June Quartile of 1887

This means children were by first wife Ellen who must have died in childbirth with William Kerr (son)

[Jimmy]

Do not think you will find this marriage as I tried before.
Census details are as follows:-
Thomas Hinds born 1862 married Jane Kerr :-

West Midlands Marriage 1885.
HINDS Thomas, KERR Jane, West Bromwich, Register Office, Sandwell Register Office. WBRO/15/136.

1891. 35 Halesowen St, Oldbury.
Thomas Hmas 29. Butcher, (I think). Oldbury. Hinds on image.
Jane Hmas 27. W. Smethwick.
Ann Hmas 65. Mother. Widow. Oldbury
Thomas W H Hmas 4. Oldbury.
Earnest Baker 18. Servant.

1901. Hash Rd, Oldbury.
Thomas Hinds 39. Butchers assistant.
Jane Hinds 36.
William Hinds 14.
Frederick Hinds 9.

[mumbles]

Fred Hinds was my Uncle Fred who married my mothers sister Ellen Charles

[Northern Lass]

so we have this marriage then I can slot in
Marriage :-
Marie Gilbert and William Kerr married Kings Norton June Quartile of 1887

[mumbles]

Thanks for sorting out a family mystery . I will add Census details.
The Hinds family connect to the Nash. Sadler and Wood families who were involved in largest Brickmaking factory in Oldbury ( Wood and Avery). They ended up living in Hawthorne House which was researched in an earlier topic and offspring became very wealthy and were lawyers and doctors and dentists.
My Uncle Fred was son of Thomas Hinds and Jane Kerr ( daughter of William Kerr and Ellen Smallman )
and he always told us he came from very wealthy and rich family from Oldbury and West Bromwich and that his parents had been cut off from main family because of some family scandal ( possibly wrong marriage ?) .
No one believed him until myself and a relative from New Zealand researched family history and found he was right.
This latest research adds to info. and clears William Kerr of running off with a French Girl !!!

[Northern Lass]

Thanks Mumbles just alter anthing I have added it that isn't correct

I will move this to archived now got couple of thousand unknowns to blitz