*Arc tbc* --John Ashman

[spikemaker]

I am looking for information on John Ashman, he married Rebecca Cresswell about 1912 in Stourbridge, he was buried in Stourbridge in 1946. His age on the death certificate is 53, making his year of birth 1893, but on his daughters Florence's birth certificate he is shown as 19 in 1921, making his birth year 1902. Any information on his ancestors would be welcome.

[Northern Lass]

I am looking for information on John Ashman, he married Rebecca Cresswell about 1912 in Stourbridge, he was buried in Stourbridge in 1946. His age on the death certificate is 53, making his year of birth 1893, but on his daughters Florence's birth certificate he is shown as 19 in 1921, making his birth year 1902. Any information on his ancestors would be welcome.

here is the marriage
but a regis office so can't be looked up

1912
ASHMAN John CRESSWELL Rebecca Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/028/199

do you have this marriage?

[Northern Lass]

we have him on BCC but need to now confirm that dob

as we have 1889

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

1890
ASHMAN John Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/198/440

1891
ASHMAN John Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/199/433

1893
ASHMAN John Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/106/399

1903
ASHMAN John Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/240/346

[spikemaker]

I am afraid we have another possible birth date for John, looking again at his daughter's birth certificate it has 1920 at the top left, April 19 1920 under column 8, When Registered, but where it says Witness my hand and under the signature across the stamp it says 18th April 1921. So with his age shown as 19, his birth year could be 1901 or 1902, I am sure however that Florence was born in 1920 so it either took her mother 12 months to register the birth, or the 1921 dates are a mistake.If anyone has access to the registers, the certificate is Entry No. 390 in the Book of Births No.146. Looking again at the funeral details it looks like a paupers funeral by the Borough of Stourbridge Cemetery Committee, the date of the burial is 11th April 1946 at a cost of £1/7/6 and it has his age at 53!
We do have the marriage to Rebecca Cresswell. There are two more daughters than shown on bcc, one still living, when I get full names and birthdates I will ask Mumbles to update.

[Jimmy]

Possibles,

1901. Dudley. Vauxhall St, Dudley.
John Ashman 48. Carpenters Labourer.
Annie Ashman 43.
Henry Ashman 20.
Joseph Ashman 18.
Daniel Ashman 16.
Lizzie Ashman 14.
Thomas Ashman 12.
John Ashman 10.
Annie Ashman 8.
May Ashman 2.
All born Dudley.

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1901. 15 King St, Dudley.
John Ashman 36. Innkeeper.
Comfort Ashman 36. Gornal.
John Ashman 9.
Howard Ashman 8.
May Ashman 7.
Gladys Ashman 3.
Hilda Ashman 2 months.
Joseph Westwood 70. Father in law. Gornal.
All others born Gornal.

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1901. 12 Cherry Orchard, Old Hill.
William Ashman 34.
Lois Ashman 25.
John Ashman 8.
Matilda Ashman 2.
All born Old Hill.

[Jimmy]

Are these all the same family.
Births Jun 1914.
ASHMAN Dinah W. Cresswell. Stourbridge. 6c. 45.
Births Mar 1917.
Ashman Ada M. Cresswell. Stourbridge. 6c. 41.
Births Jun 1920.
Ashman Florence. Cresswell. Stourbridge. 6c. 63.
Births Jun 1924.
Ashman James. Cresswell. Stourbridge. 6c. 64.
Births Dec 1929.
Ashman Winifred. Cresswell. Stourbridge. 6c. 34.

[peterd]

I am afraid we have another possible birth date for John, looking again at his daughter's birth certificate it has 1920 at the top left, April 19 1920 under column 8, When Registered, but where it says Witness my hand and under the signature across the stamp it says 18th April 1921. So with his age shown as 19, his birth year could be 1901 or 1902, I am sure however that Florence was born in 1920 so it either took her mother 12 months to register the birth, or the 1921 dates are a mistake.If anyone has access to the registers, the certificate is Entry No. 390 in the Book of Births No.146. Looking again at the funeral details it looks like a paupers funeral by the Borough of Stourbridge Cemetery Committee, the date of the burial is 11th April 1946 at a cost of £1/7/6 and it has his age at 53!
We do have the marriage to Rebecca Cresswell. There are two more daughters than shown on bcc, one still living, when I get full names and birthdates I will ask Mumbles to update.

1912 ASHMAN John CRESSWELL Rebecca Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/028/199


what is the info on the wedding cert ie his father his and his father occpation, address he was at and whitnesses ?

[Northern Lass]

I am afraid we have another possible birth date for John, looking again at his daughter's birth certificate it has 1920 at the top left, April 19 1920 under column 8, When Registered, but where it says Witness my hand and under the signature across the stamp it says 18th April 1921. So with his age shown as 19, his birth year could be 1901 or 1902, I am sure however that Florence was born in 1920 so it either took her mother 12 months to register the birth, or the 1921 dates are a mistake.If anyone has access to the registers, the certificate is Entry No. 390 in the Book of Births No.146. Looking again at the funeral details it looks like a paupers funeral by the Borough of Stourbridge Cemetery Committee, the date of the burial is 11th April 1946 at a cost of £1/7/6 and it has his age at 53!
We do have the marriage to Rebecca Cresswell. There are two more daughters than shown on bcc, one still living, when I get full names and birthdates I will ask Mumbles to update.

Living people cannot be added to BCC
The birth certificates cannot be looked up only bought from the registry office

Until we know this guys dob I will put an estimated dob in

and that marriage info would help us
ie age on marriage
and fathers name

[spikemaker]

Thanks all,
Regarding Jimmy's question, Dinah W. (born 1914) Florence (born 1920) & Winnifred ( born 1929) are definitely sisters, in fact Winnie is still alive. When we see her we will ask if she is aware of Ada & James and if they are related. Florence always says her mother (Rebecca Cresswell) had more children than the three sisters who survived but never mentioned any names,it is unlikely however Winnie will know as she is younger, but we will ask. Unfortunately we do not have John Ashman&Rebecca Cresswell's marriage certificate but with the information supplied by Peterd will will obtain a copy.
Thanks again

[Northern Lass]

Let us know how you get on Spikemaker

flagging to archive this one for the mo pending more info