*Arc tbc 24 hrs* -------------Charles William Vaughan

[Teresa's Tree]

I have been searching for Charles William Vaughan c1890,
I have his marriage certificate which states he is 30 in 1920 when he married
Violet Pritchard nee Jones, he was a bachelor and she was a widow they married and lived in West Bromwich
I was thrown off the scent a bit when I found someone with the same name in my home town born in 1888!
but my Grandfather Charles was Irish from County Cork and this man is not!
I have spoken to the ex wife of his son (my uncle) who confirms she was told that my grandad was Irish too.
My father was in the Royal Irish Rifles when in the war,
I believe he was in this regiment was because of his Irish connection as he was born in West Bromwich
unfortunately to make matters worse both of these men are named after their own father Charles Vaughan!!!
so now I have a brick wall to conquer

Charles William Vaughan was the father of Denis Arthur my father 1925, also Raymond, Hilda, Ethel Vaughan
and the step father to Violets previous children Laura and Leonard Prithcard

I am new to ancestry and would appreciate some help with Irish records to find him
now that I know for certain that he is not the other man!

thanks
Teresa

[Northern Lass]

Hi TT let's move this to General Discussion to open it up for discusson

[Maths girl]

Teresa
Do you know when the family left Ireland and whether they went straight to the West Midlands?
Just wondering when the changeover came from Irish records to English

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Marriage 1920.
VAUGHAN Charles W, PRITCHARD Violet, West Bromwich Register Office. Sandwell Register Office. WBRO/71/79.

[Teresa's Tree]

Thank You Jimmy, thats the marriage cert I purchased last week

I dont know anything about when the family or even Charles himself moved to England
the only detail I know is that County Cork was mentioned
and his fathers name is also Charles
which suggests that my grandad was the first son as he took his fathers name

thanks for asking
Teresa

[Jimmy]

This is the only one I can see.

1901. 180, Gt, Bridge St, Westbrom.
Charles Vaughan 33. General labourer in tube works.
Mary E Vaughan 31. Tipton.
Charles W Vaughan 12.
Francis Vaughan 10.
Nellie Vaughan 8.
Emily Vaughan 5.
Harriett Vaughan 2.

All others born West Brom.

1891. 2 Sheepwash St, West Brom.
Charles Vaughan 23. Forge labourer Smith. Tipton.
Mary E Vaughan 23. Tiptpn.
Charles Vaughan 2. West Brom.
Francis Vaughan 1/12. West Brom.

[grangers14]

What were their occupations?
Jo

[Teresa's Tree]

Thank You Jimmy

I found these too and believe its a different family
theres a couple of problems

* the birth of this Charles Vaughan is 1888
* the father of this family is stated as born in staffordshire!

* also i have been in contact with someone who saved this Charles on their tree
and they said they believe his marriage to my grandmother was his 2nd marriage
but on his marriage cert he says bachelor!

I just dont know how to get around this one way or another

I know he is buried in heath lane cemetery West Bromwich but there's no stone
so I cant get a date of birth from his grave

how do I move forward? or backward!!!!
thanks for your help

[Teresa's Tree]

Jo
on the marriage cert Charles William Vaughan was a tube inspector living in Slater street West Bromwich

his father charles was a gas works storekeeper

[peterd]

Jo
on the marriage cert Charles William Vaughan was a tube inspector living in Slater street West Bromwich

his father charles was a gas works storekeeper

This is the only one I can see.

1901. 180, Gt, Bridge St, Westbrom.
Charles Vaughan 33. General labourer in tube works.
Mary E Vaughan 31. Tipton.
Charles W Vaughan 12.
Francis Vaughan 10.
Nellie Vaughan 8.
Emily Vaughan 5.
Harriett Vaughan 2.

All others born West Brom.

1891. 2 Sheepwash St, West Brom.
Charles Vaughan 23. Forge labourer Smith. Tipton.
Mary E Vaughan 23. Tiptpn.
Charles Vaughan 2. West Brom.
Francis Vaughan 1/12. West Brom.

dont always believe what you see in census and other people trees use them as guide lines


father store keeper in 1920 the census above could well be charles srn and jr as he working in a tube works and poss his son followed in his step

when charles srn got older poss couldnt manager the job hence storekeeper ?

anyone find the 1911 census please

[peterd]

if charles was 30 when marries then he could of been 31 in the same year c 1889

the charles in the census is 2 c 1889

when did charles get married and who were his witnesses ? and not always census age is correct

if it was his 2nd marriage and his first wife left him then he wouldnt abe to afford a divorce he not going to put married or widow on his aplication as his new wife would ask question ?

[Maths girl]

1911 165 Great Br St WB
VAUGHAN, Charles Head Marrd M 43 1868 Strip Beveller Staffs West Bromwich Wright iron tubes? area of work
VAUGHAN, Mary E Wife Marrd 24 years F 41 1870 Staffs Tipton
VAUGHAN, Charles Son Single M 23 1888 Checker Staffs W Bromwich
VAUGHAN, Francis Son Single M 20 1891 Labourer Staffs W Bromwich
VAUGHAN, Ivy Daughter F 9 1902 Staffs W Bromwich
VAUGHAN, Edward Son M 6 1905 Staffs W Bromwich
VAUGHAN, Isabella Daughter F 5 1906 Staffs W Bromwich
VAUGHAN, Dennis Son M 3 1908 Staffs W Bromwich

10 children 8 living
Emily and Nellie are servants living elsewhere in W Bromwich -- not found Harriet dead?

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Marriage 1888.
VAUGHAN Charles, MAGEE Mary E, Dudley, St James. Dudley Register Office. 202/010/377.

[Jimmy]

1881. New Rd, 9 Court no 7.
Pathrick Magie 39. Blacksmiths Striker. Liverpool.
Mary Magie 35. Tipton.
Elizth. Magie 10.
Annie Magie 8.
Mary E. Magie 12.
Thomas Magie 3.
Bridget Magie 1.

All others born Tipton.

[Maths girl]

1881. New Rd, 9 Court no 7.
Pathrick Magie 39. Blacksmiths Striker. Liverpool.
Mary Magie 35. Tipton.
Elizth. Magie 10.
Annie Magie 8.
Mary E. Magie 12.
Thomas Magie 3.
Bridget Magie 1.

All others born Tipton.

I think this means we are going round in circles because I am sure I have seen this before.