*Arc tbc* ----Withers/Williams Connection

[mumbles]

Just made connection of Thomas Williams to Sophia Withers who connects to Linell :-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =580180328

But cannot find father of Thomas Williams i.e.James before 1881 and his family. I would like to connect to Samuel Williams who is on 1881 Census with Thomas and his father James but cannot find before James widowed ?

1881 Census Spring Hill Hasbury Halesowen Worcs.
Thomas Williams Head 32 Nail Maker
Sophia Williams wife 31 Nail Maker
Harry Williams son 7 Scholar
Annie Williams dau 5 Scholar
George Williams son 3
Frederick Williams son 1
James Williams Boarder 53 (wid) Nail Maker
Samuel Williams Boarder 29 Nail Maker
All born Halesowen Worcs.

1891 Census Spring Hill Hasbury Halesowen Worcs.
Thomas Williams Head 42 Nail Maker
Sophia Williams wife 40 Nail Maker
Harry Williams son 17 Painters Apprentice
Annie Williams dau 15
George Williams son 13 Painter
Walter Williams son 1
James Williams Father 63 (wid) Nail Maker
Kate Williams dau 2weeks
All born Halesowen Worcs.

1901 Census Spring Hill Hasbury Halesowen Worcs.
Thomas Williams Head 52 Bolt Maker
Sophia Williams wife 50
George Williams son 23 Tube Maker
Walter Williams son 12
James Williams Father 73 (wid)
Kate Williams dau 10
Louisa Williams dau 6
All born Hasbury Worcs.

1911 Census Spring Hill Hasbury Halesowen Worcs.
Thomas Williams Head 62 Iron Rivet Maker
Sophia Williams wife 60 Iron Nail Maker
Walter Williams son 22 Iron Bolt Maker
Lizzie Williams dau 16 Button Sorter
All born Halesowen Worcs.

[linell]

Is this James, Mumbles?

Islington 1851
James Williams HD M 28 Nail Maker Halesowen
Mary Wife 28 Nailer Halesowen
Elizabeth DA 2 Halesowen
Anne DA 11 months Halesowen
Charles Forrester LG U 41 Halesowen

Linell.

[linell]

Think this is them in Love Lane 1861 but no Thomas:-

JAMES WILLIAMS Head Married 38 yrs
ELIZABETH WILLIAMS Wife Married 25 yrs
ELIZABETH WILLIAMS Daughter 12 yrs
ANN WILLIAMS Daughter 10 yrs
JAMES WILLIAMS Son 2 yrs
MARIA WILLIAMS Daughter 1 yr


Here is a Thomas of the right age:-

1851 Club Yard B'ham Street
George Williams HD M 41 Nailer Halesowen
Sarah Wife 39 Nailer Halesowen
John Son U 19 Nailer Halesowen
Charles Son U 17 Nailer Halesowen
George Son 11 Nailer Halesowen
Thomas Son 1 Halesowen

Linell.

[mumbles]

Hi Linell,
Problems with ISP so could not reply until now.
The club yard Thomas is right age but wrong family. George and Sarah are already on bcc and Thomas connects to myself and Spikemaker.
I think the other family is might be correct but no link to Thomas or Samuel

[mumbles]

Not the Love Lane James as alive in 1881 and a James Williams is also living with son Thomas in 1881
1871 Census Love Lane Hasbury Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
JAMES WILLIAMS Head 48 Nail Forger born Halesowen Worcs.
ELIZABETH WILLIAMS Wife 33 born Kingswinford Staffs.
MARIA WILLIAMS Daughter 11 Scholar
Hannah Williams dau 9 Scholar
Joseph Williams son 7 Scholar
Samuel Williams son 3
Eliza Williams dau 1
Rest born Hasbury Worcs.

1881 Census Love Lane Hasbury Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
JAMES WILLIAMS Head 56 Nailer
ELIZABETH WILLIAMS Wife 43
Joseph Williams son 17 Nailer
Samuel Williams son 13 Nailer
Eliza Williams dau 11
David Williams son 5
Elijah Williams son 2
All born Halesowen Worcs.
Rest born Hasbury Worcs.

A James Williams married a Mary Hadley in 1848 St. John Halesowen and a Lot of Mary Williams died in period 1851 in Stourbridge so it is probable This James re-married an Elizabeth but no marriage identified

[grangers14]

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1870
WITHERS Sophia WILLIAMS Thomas Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/464

[Northern Lass]

Mumbles where are we at with this one?

Do you need that marriage looking up?

[mumbles]

No NL as connection is made by Census Records.
Can go no further on this

[Northern Lass]

Ok I will flag to archive