COMPLETED.....Hall/Sawyer problem

[mumbles]

1861 Census Islington Street Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Sarah Sawyer Head (m) 43 Blind 35 years born Carters Lane Halesowen
Elizabeth Sawyer dau 8 Scholar
Mary A. Sawyer dau 6 Scholar
William H. Sawyer son 3 Scholar
Ann Sawyer dau 17 Nailer
John Sawyer son 13 Nailer
Rest born Halesowen Worcs.

1871 Census Islington Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Sarah Sawyer Head 54 (wid) Blind at 8years born Warley Staffs.
Elizabeth Sawyer dau 17 Nail Maker
Mary A. Sawyer dau 15 Nail Maker
William Sawyer son 12 Nail Maker
John Hall son 23 Nail Maker
Rest born Halesowen Worcs.

1881 Census Islington Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Sarah Sawyer Head 65 Blind
Elizabeth Sawyer dau 27 Nail Forger
William Sawyer son 22 Nail Forger
John Hall son 34 Nail Forger
Lizzie Sawyer grd.dau 5 Scholar
All born Halesowen Worcs.

1891 Census Islington Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
James Bennett Head 49 Nail Maker
Anne Bennett wife 47 Rivet Maker
Sarah Bennett dau 15 Rivet Maker
William Bennett son 12 Scholar
Edith Bennett dau 10 Scholar
Lizzie Sawyer Visitor 15 Brooch Maker at Factory
All born Halesowen Worcs.

1891 Census Islington Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Samuel Williams Head 39 Nail Maker
Elizabeth Williams wife 38 Nail Maker
Harry Sawyer Williams son 8 Scholar
Arthur Williams son 2
John Hall Boarder 44 Nail Maker
William Sawyer Boarder 33 Nail Maker
All born Halesowen Worcs.

Note Samuel Williams married Elizabeth Sawyer in 1888 St. John Halesowen

Questions:-
a) Can anyone find family on Census before 1861 ?
b) Did Sarah Sawyer marry ? ( Note she was Blind at 8 years old
c) Who is John Hall who changes from Sayer to Hall ?
d) Who is Lizzie Sawyer who went on to marry Edward Field born 1874 ( On bcc) ?

[mumbles]

Plot thickens as found a Ann Hall married a James Bennett in St. John Halesowen in 1862
note Lizzie Sawyer visitor with Bennetts in 1891
Ann Hall is definitely Sawyer on 1861 Census

[mumbles]

1851 Census Rumbow Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Obedience Hall Head 59 (Wid) Nailor born Long Lane Halesowen Worcs.
Sarah Hall dau 33 (wid) Blind born Halesowen Worcs.
Betsy Hall dau 18 Nailor <br>
Ann Hall grd.dau 7 Scholar
John Hall grd.son 3 Scholar
Rest born Long Lane Halesowen Worcs.

Sarah Hall possibly married a Sawyer between 1851 and 1861 and he died as well
but strange she is shown as widowed daughter of Obedience Hall but with same surname

[Jimmy]

SARAH HALL
Christening, 22 SEP 1816, Halesowen, Worcester
Parents:
WILLIAM HALL.
BEDY.

WILLIAM HALL.
OBEDIENCE SADLER.
Marriage, 07 AUG 1809. Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick.

[mumbles]

Thanks Jimmy
I think the James Bennett who married Ann Hall (Sawyer) is already on bcc posted by Jan but with no marriage but possible Census Detail

[Northern Lass]

I think she is just Hall no marriage

if this is her with sister Elizabeth

1841 Rumbo Halesowen
Willm Griffiths 40 labourer
Obed Griffiths 40 nailer
Sarah Hall 20
Thos Hall 15
Mary Hall 14
David Hall 13
Elizabeth Hall 8
all yes b in C

[Northern Lass]

So this is James in 1891

1891 Census Islington Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
James Bennett Head 49 Nail Maker
Anne Bennett wife 47 Rivet Maker
Sarah Bennett dau 15 Rivet Maker
William Bennett son 12 Scholar
Edith Bennett dau 10 Scholar
Lizzie Sawyer Visitor 15 Brooch Maker at Factory
All born Halesowen Worcs.

and this could be him in 1851
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =155252691

1851 Short Cross Stourbridge Road Halesowen
Samuel Hadley Head 32 ??? should say 22 Sawyer
Ann Hadley Wife 22 Nailer
Sarah Hadley Daur. 3
John Hadley Son 7 Mo
William Rudge Relative Widower 43 Nailer
Joseph Bennett Relative 14 Nailer
James Bennett Relative 9 Servant Boy
All Born Halesowen

and the Mary Ann dau of Samuel and Ann could be the Mary Ann with James in 1871
down as aged 11 niece
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

1871 Census Islington, Halesowen
James Bennett, head, 29, Horse nail maker
Anne, wife, 27, Nail maker
Alfred W, son, 4,
George, son, 2,
John, son, 5 months
Mary A Hadley, niece, 11, nurse,
All born Halesowen

1862 BENNETT James HALL Ann Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/59

do you want that looked up Mumbles?

[mumbles]

Hi nl , problems with my ISP so could not reply

Marriage I think is good as if you notice Ann calls her son Harry Sawyer Bennett and Lizzie Sawyer is visiting
What I do not understand is why they keep swopping surnames from Griffiths to Hall to Sawyer and back again ?

Marriage for Lizzie Sawyer :-
SAWYER Lizzie FIELD Edward Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/007/458 1900 may be worth look up as it might tell who father is or most likely another unmarried mother

[mumbles]

Sorry Nl it was Elizabeth who called her son Harry Sawyer Williams not Anne

1901 Census Islington Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Samuel Williams Head 49 Iron Rivet Maker
Elizabeth Williams 47 Nail Maker
Harry Sawyer Williams stepson 18 Labourer in Iron Works
Arthur Williams 9 son
Fred Williams son 6
John Hall Broth.in.law 53 Bolt Forger
William H. Sawyer brother.in.law 42 Bolt Forger
All born Halesowen Worcs.

1911 Census 10, Islington Row Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Samuel Williams Head 59 Iron Rivet Maker
Elizabeth Williams 58
Harry Sawyer stepson 29 General Labourer in Iron Works
Arthur Williams son 22 Bricklayer Journeyman
Alice Williams 19 Button Polisher
Fred Williams son 16 Turner
Albert Edward Field grd.son 10 Scholar
All born Halesowen Worcs.

[Northern Lass]

I have lost it on this one Mumbles my head has gone

whatever you want looking up just add to look ups and I will do it to cf anything

can I leave you to add and connect what you think on this lot
pls

[Northern Lass]

Is there a marriage for William Griffiths and Obedience "Hall"

[mumbles]

Have added two marriages for look up which may shed some light on problem

[Northern Lass]

Added those as an urgent

do you want to archive this pending look ups?

[mumbles]

Yes Nl I can retrieve from archives

[Jimmy]

Is there a marriage for William Griffiths and Obedience "Hall"

I can't see one.