*Arc tbc* ---Williams Line

[mumbles]

The one with all the kids is connected to Jimmy as daughter Rosannah is his 4 x great grandmother

also attached to Linells is Census 1841 showing Charles married to a Lucy not a Mary Flemming ( could be second marriage

Also found this on 1851 Census
Spring Hill Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Charles William ( could be Williams) Head 76 Nailor
Lucy William wife 60 Nailer
Both born Lapall Worcs.mumbles

[Northern Lass]

Ok well I have added a note in John Williams notes as there was nothing in there
and in Hannahs

so do we connect up Charles? to this lot for the moment and add a note?
and delete the other Charles?

[mumbles]

I would check with Linell and Jimmy
The info I have received from Spikemaker has all checked out so far and he tells me that info from Parish records ref. John Williams and Hannah Bayliss was done by a Hackett relative and himself on Microfiche

[Northern Lass]

So just so we get this right

We need to know which JOhn Williams and Hannah had which kids?

and

we need to know if the Charles b 1775 married to Mary Fleming is the son of John And Hannah and which one?

is that correct?

[Northern Lass]

Also do we have the marriage pls to slot in notes
for Hannah Bayliss

[Northern Lass]

IGI Extracted:

JOHN WILLIAMS
Spouse: HANNAH BAYLISS
Marriage: 20 MAR 1775 Halesowen, Worcester, England

I think we could split the kids up with those pre 1775 to the other lot ie John and hannah werien m 1760
and those after 1775 to hannah bayliss

with notes of course

[mumbles]

I think you have cracked it Nl but I think you should check with Jimmy and Linell

[Northern Lass]

Ok Jimmy!!! where are you!!

what you think

and Linell have emailed

So let us know on this thread pls
we can amend and add notes....

[linell]

Hi all, I have these notes on Ann Williams born 1814 daughter of Charles and Mary Flemming:- Ann's father Charles Williams aged 65 and a Lucy Williams aged 45 are next door to Ann and James in Spring Hill Hasbury 1841. Lucy could be a second wife? In 1871 Grandson Edwin Willetts aged 2 born Hasbury is in the household, maybe James's son?

Plus these notes for George Williams 1809 brother of Ann:-

Witnesses to the Marriage of George and first wife Caroline were Thomas Allen Church Warden and William Portmans. Witnesses to the Marriage of George's 2nd Marriage to Sarah Jones were Charles Matthews and Lucy Williams.

Does this help?

Lin.

[Jimmy]

All I know about this Williams lot is,
ROSANNA WILLIAMS.
Christening: 02 APR 1769. Halesowen, Worcester.
Parents:
JOHN WILLIAMS.
HANNAH.

SAMUEL SIVETER.
ROSANNA WILLIAMS.
Marriage, 25 DEC 1788. Clent, Worcester.

Once I came across the Williams name I gave up.

[Jimmy]

Extracted.
JOHN WILLIAMS.
HANNAH WAREIN.
Marriage, 25 DEC 1760, Halesowen, Worcester.

[Jimmy]

Halesowen, St. John.
Burial Date, 13 May 1838, Rosanna SIVITER, Age 69. Abode Borough.

Which fits with the christening in 1769.

[linell]

Looks like two John and Hannah's to me:- There's a burial for 'Hannah wife of John Williams 26.12.1783' at Halesowen.

Ann bap 2.8.1761
James bap 5.12.1762
Betty bap 20.7.1766
Rosanna bap 2.4.1769
Lydia bap 20.10.1771 - Died 1772 according to IGI

Charles bap 5.7.1778
Nanny bap 11.11.1781
William bap 27.7.1783
Ann bap 18.6.1787
Sarah bap 8.11.1789

The PR's don't give any other information, other than son or daughter of John and Hannah Williams. Has anyone checked for anothe Marriage for a John and Hannah? HTH from Lin.

I

[Northern Lass]

Just had a look on IGI for any more marriages
those 2 in 1760 and 1775 seem the most likely for Hannahs
under Worcs or Staffs

[Northern Lass]

Clent marriage

25 Dec 1788 Clent
Samuel Siveter X bach otp of Rowley Regis
Rosanna Williams spr ots
banns
Wit - William Bird X / Robert Waldron (he is on a few)