*Arc tbc* ---Williams Line

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Spike Maker has taken this line back two more generations and confirmed a lot of info /details we have on bcc:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=34114045

He has Charles Williams born 1778 who married Mary Flemming
as son of John Williams born 1753 and Hannah Bayliss born 1753 (died 1823)
In turn he has John Williams son of a Thomas Williams and Sarah Unknown (no dates)

Family from 1778 are in Halesowen St . John Records so family probably came from there also

Can someone look at and fill in missing details if possible

[dianel]

IGI Extracted:
CHARLES WILLIAMS
Christening: 05 JUL 1778 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Father: JOHN WILLIAMS
Mother: HANNAH

Children born to John & Hannah & christened at Halesowen:

LYDIA WILLIAMS - Christening: 20 OCT 1771 Halesowen, Worcester, England Death: 08 JAN 1772
JOHN WILLIAMS - Christening: 27 DEC 1772 Halesowen, Worcester, England Death: 05 JUN 1774
MARY WILLIAMS - Christening: 30 APR 1775 Halesowen, Worcester, England
THOMAS WILLIAMS - Christening: 24 SEP 1775 Halesowen, Worcester, England
CHARLES WILLIAMS - Christening: 05 JUL 1778 Halesowen, Worcester, England
NANNY WILLIAMS - Christening: 11 NOV 1781 Halesowen, Worcester, England
WILLIAM WILLIAMS - Christening: 27 JUL 1783 Halesowen, Worcester, England
ANN WILLIAMS - Christening: 18 JUN 1787 Halesowen, Worcester, England
SARAH WILLIAMS - Christening: 08 NOV 1789 Halesowen, Worcester, England
JOHN WILLIAMS - Christening: 26 JAN 1794 Halesowen, Worcester, England

[dianel]

IGI Extracted:

JOHN WILLIAMS
Spouse: HANNAH BAYLISS
Marriage: 20 MAR 1775 Halesowen, Worcester, England

[mumbles]

Thanks Di, I will add in
Regards

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This is my Charles Williams :-
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =540227517

Although it says born in County but Birmingham ? on detail
I believe duplicated on bcc :-
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =826807113
Different wife same children

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Also found this on 1851 Census
Spring Hill Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Charles William ( could be Williams) Head 76 Nailor
Lucy William wife 60 Nailer
Both born Lapall Worcs.

[dianel]

This is my Charles Williams :-http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=20405&rand=540227517
Although it says born in County but Birmingham ? on detail
I believe duplicated on bcc :- http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =826807113
Different wife same children

[Northern Lass]

What do we need on this one?

flagging for status

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On bcc we have two Charles Williams marrying an Hannah and a list from Halesowen Parish Records of Children having parents Charles and Hannah. If you look at baptisms how can you tell the children are from one Charles and Hannah or the other ? as both sets of Charles and Hannah lived in Halesowen at same time ?

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sorry got mixed up will reply tomorrow

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Had good nights sleep and so can put down what I think needs looking into:-
a) On bcc connected to Jimmy we have ;-
John Williams b.1740 married to Hannah Werein b.1740

Children :- LYDIA WILLIAMS - Christening: 20 OCT 1771 Halesowen, Worcester, England Death: 08 JAN 1772
JOHN WILLIAMS - Christening: 27 DEC 1772 Halesowen, Worcester, England Death: 05 JUN 1774
MARY WILLIAMS - Christening: 30 APR 1775 Halesowen, Worcester, England
THOMAS WILLIAMS - Christening: 24 SEP 1775 Halesowen, Worcester, England
CHARLES WILLIAMS - Christening: 05 JUL 1778 Halesowen, Worcester, England
NANNY WILLIAMS - Christening: 11 NOV 1781 Halesowen, Worcester, England
WILLIAM WILLIAMS - Christening: 27 JUL 1783 Halesowen, Worcester, England
ANN WILLIAMS - Christening: 18 JUN 1787 Halesowen, Worcester, England
SARAH WILLIAMS - Christening: 08 NOV 1789 Halesowen, Worcester, England
JOHN WILLIAMS - Christening: 26 JAN 1794 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Betty Williams :-b.1766
Rosannah b.1769 married Samuel Siviter

Hannah would have been 47 plus with some of children !!!

b) Connected to Linell :-
Charles Williams born 1775 married to Mary Flemming

Children included:-
George Williams born 1809
and his son George Williams b.1839 follows into Spikemakers main line

c)Spikemaker and a relative researched from Parish records and found :-
John Williams b.1753 married a Hannah Bayliss
and their son Charles Williams born 1778 married a Mary Flemming and leads into main Williams Line through their son George Williams born 1809

[Northern Lass]

Ok so we have 2 John Williams marrying a Hannah

[Northern Lass]

No one is claiming the one here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=74731910

nothing in notes

and there is an est dob

so we can change to Hannah unknown and put a possible marrige

we cant add in marriage without proof

[Northern Lass]

Ok so which JOhn and Hannah had which kids!

cos the one b 1753 cant have the 1761 kids

[Northern Lass]

So I have done this
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=53395485

we could connect up Charles though and delete the other one
then try and sort out which hannah has the kids