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COMPLETED.....James Tromans query

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I have a query on this one

we have James Tromans with family here....
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =607718841

James's dau is Alice Tromans who is the neice of Mary Tromans on the 1881 census (Mary Tromans married David Smith )
here is Mary Tromans.....
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =963329733


1871 (Surname on image looks like 'Trowmans')
At 22 Washington St., Dudley, Netherton
James Truman Head 44 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Cradley Heath b. 1827
Ellen Truman Wife 41 b. Worcs., Dudley
Ellen Truman Daur 11 b. Worcs., Dudley
Alfred Truman Son 4 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
William Truman Son 1 b. Worcs., Dudley
Alice Truman Daur 6 months b. Worcs., Dudley


1881 At 18 Bowl St. or Foxall St., Rowley Regis
David Smith Head 48 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
Mary Smith Wife 49 b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
Joseph Smith Son 25 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
William Smith Son 23 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
Caleb Smith Son 20 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
Eli Smith Son 18 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
Alice Tromans Niece 10 Scholar b. Worcs., Netherton


but the father for Benjamin with James is a diff Benjamin than the father for Mary Tromans
Chainmaker for Mary
Jews harp maker for James
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Ok here is James with father Benjamin a Jews harp maker
accord to marriage..

Marriage info by Jan
17 Dec 1865 St Michaels Brierley Hill
- James Tromans- 42- widower-chainmaker- Brierley Hill- Benjamin Tromans- Jews Harp maker
-Ellen Griffiths- 35- widow- John Hadley- miner
banns
X of both
Wit- James Smith X Sarah Smith X


1861 Cradley Rd RR
James Tromans h wid 60 chainmaker b RR-----prob wrong age!
Phebe dau unm 12 b RR
Benjamin son 10 b Worcs Cradley
Esther dau 8 b worcs Cradley
James son 7 b Worcs Cradley
Benjamin father widow 80 b RR-----prob wrong age!
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Re: James Tromans query

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Ok this is a mess!!

need your brains guys and gals

we have Alice
dau of a James

and

neice of Mary Tromans

so James and Mary should be bro and sister
but we have them with different fathers called Benjamin
one a chainmaker
one a Jews harp maker

help!!
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Here is Marys marriage

Marriage info
St John`s Church, Dudley 29 April 1855, entry no 18
David Smith, of age, bachelor, Chainmaker, Dudley, father Joseph Smith, Chain maker
Mary Tromans, of age, spinster, Dudley, father Benjamin Tromans, Chain maker
by banns
Both made their mark
Witnesses: John Smith, Elizabeth Davis, both made their mark
neither parent noted as deceased
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Northern Lass wrote:Ok this is a mess!!

need your brains guys and gals

we have Alice
dau of a James

and

neice of Mary Tromans

so James and Mary should be bro and sister
but we have them with different fathers called Benjamin
one a chainmaker
one a Jews harp maker

help!!



Could be niece by marriage? ie daughter of brother-in-law etc?
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1841. Club building.
Benjamin Tromans 50. Harp maker.
Ann Tromans 20.
Rhoda Tromans 15.
Geoge Tromans 15.
James Tromans 14.
Hannah Tromans 12.
Mary Tromans 20.
William Tromans 1.
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I think we have it wrong
I think they are bro and sister

I think the name esther is significant
James calls dau esther


1841 Five Ways, Rowley Regis
Benjn Tromams 48 Nailer
Phebe Tromams 47
Benjn Tromams 21
James Tromams 18
Ester Tromams 16
Sarah Tromams 13
Mary Tromams 9
Joseph Tromams 5

I think James should be with this family
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =623279572
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Jimmy wrote:1841. Club building.
Benjamin Tromans 50. Harp maker.
Ann Tromans 20.
Rhoda Tromans 15.
Geoge Tromans 15.
James Tromans 14.
Hannah Tromans 12.
Mary Tromans 20.
William Tromans 1.


This mary is too old
ours is born 1830's
this one above is 1820's


1871
Darbys Road, Rowley Regis
SMITH, David Head M 36 1835 Chain Maker Staffordshire
SMITH, Mary Wife F 36 1835 Staffordshire
SMITH, Joseph Son M 15 1856 Staffordshire
SMITH, William Son M 12 1859 Staffordshire
SMITH, Cabel Son M 10 1861 Staffordshire
SMITH, Eli Son M 8 1863 Staffordshire

1881
At 18 Bowl St. or Foxall St., Rowley Regis
David Smith Head 48 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
Mary Smith Wife 49 b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
Joseph Smith Son 25 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
William Smith Son 23 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
Caleb Smith Son 20 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
Eli Smith Son 18 Chain Maker b. Staffs., Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
Alice Tromans Niece 10 Scholar b. Worcs., Netherton
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1851. Cradley Heath. RR.
Benjamin Troman 63. Lab.
Mary Troman 19. chainmaker.
Joseph Troman 17. chainmaker.
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On the 1861 the Benjamins the fathers are in 2 diff places

one is here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =990827841

1861 Private house next to Club Buildings, Rowley Regis
Benjamin Tromans Head 75 Jew`s Harp Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Job Taylor Son-in-law 29 Labourer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Rhoda Taylor Daughter 30 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

the other...the one I think is the correct one is here

1861 Cradley Rd RR
James Tromans h wid 60 chainmaker b RR-----prob wrong age!
Phebe dau unm 12 b RR
Benjamin son 10 b Worcs Cradley
Esther dau 8 b worcs Cradley
James son 7 b Worcs Cradley
Benjamin father widow 80 b RR-----prob wrong age!
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1841. Five Ways.
Benjn Fromams 48. Nailer.
Phebe Fromams 47.
Benjn Fromams 21.
James Fromams 18.
Ester Fromams 16.
Sarah Fromams 13.
Mary Fromams 9.
Joseph Fromams 5.
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Jimmy wrote:1841. Five Ways.
Benjn Fromams 48. Nailer.
Phebe Fromams 47.
Benjn Fromams 21.
James Fromams 18.
Ester Fromams 16.
Sarah Fromams 13.
Mary Fromams 9.
Joseph Fromams 5.


this fits with this
1851 At Windmill Hill, Cradley
James Tromans Head 28 Chainmaker b. Staffs., Rowley
Eliza Tromans Wife 25 Chainmaker b. Worcs., Lye
Phoebe Tromans Daur 2 b. Worcs., Cradley
Benj Tromans Son 1 b. Worcs., Cradley Mirah Cox Servant 11 b. Worcs., Cradley


and he calls kids after his parents I am swapping over these James
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Re: James Tromans query

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Ok I have swapped over and made note in notes

thanks all .... :grin:

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