*Completed?* A basic question on pre 1915 birth certificates

[Shane_blacklee]

Hi, I've just started to look into my family tree but I'm stuck at my G grandfather, he was George Henry Blacklee born 1905 - but there is no mention of his mothers maiden name on the online data from ancestry.co.uk. If I ordered the actual physical birth certificate would it contain his mothers maiden name? From my research I have a rough idea of who it might be and to find out what his mothers maiden name is would allow me to fully clarify whether my suspicions are correct. Thanks for any help.

[grangers14]

Tired and just off to bed... But I think its 1911 sept quarter.
The bith certificate will tell you the mothers maiden name.
It will show address and fathers occupation. So exciting waiting for the postman to arrive too!
Well done to you too, to make sure. Best not climb a wrong tree!
Jo

[peterd]

Hi, I've just started to look into my family tree but I'm stuck at my G grandfather, he was George Henry Blacklee born 1905 - but there is no mention of his mothers maiden name on the online data from ancestry.co.uk. If I ordered the actual physical birth certificate would it contain his mothers maiden name? From my research I have a rough idea of who it might be and to find out what his mothers maiden name is would allow me to fully clarify whether my suspicions are correct. Thanks for any help.

where was he born ? should be on the 1911 census, if know who is father is, poss find his parents marriage ?

[peterd]

bro?

Births Jun 1905
Blacklee George Henry Greenwich 1d 1056


Births Jun 1907
BLACKLEE Philip Thomas Greenwich 1d 1074
BLACKLEE Phillip Thomas Greenwich 1d 1074


Births Mar 1909
BLACKLEE Albert Ronald Greenwich 1d 1064


any one find this famly 1911 census ?

[Shane_blacklee]

Hi, I've just started to look into my family tree but I'm stuck at my G grandfather, he was George Henry Blacklee born 1905 - but there is no mention of his mothers maiden name on the online data from ancestry.co.uk. If I ordered the actual physical birth certificate would it contain his mothers maiden name? From my research I have a rough idea of who it might be and to find out what his mothers maiden name is would allow me to fully clarify whether my suspicions are correct. Thanks for any help.

where was he born ? should be on the 1911 census, if know who is father is, poss find his parents marriage ?

I've checked the 1911 census but curiously he's not on there: no sign of him whatsoever - I have no idea why.

Just ordered the birth certificate (didn't realise how expensive they'd be!) so I suppose I'll have to wait till it arrives; those two men you listed could be brothers but I have no why to clarify really.

[Shane_blacklee]

I have it boiled down to a single family (that seems most likely): I think it's between a George Philip Blacklee and a Arthur Percival Blacklee, the later is on the 1911 census as married and at 37 years of age but with no listed children residing in the property, whilst George Philip Blacklee is on the 1901 census listed as a boarder in another family's house but isn't listed on the 1911 census: there's a marriage certificate for him in 1904 which is a year before my G Grandfather was born (1905); although Arthur Percival Blacklee was likewise married in 1903, although as I say there are no children listed, let alone a George Henry Blacklee listed.

It seems this whole family are American and my possible GG Granddad stayed in the USA so it's possible he briefly were back to the United States, although this is all just speculation at this point.

It's curious they (George Henry Blacklee & George Philip Blacklee) aren't on the 1911 census...

[peterd]

might be, might be mistranscribed ie blackley, blacklie, etc

[grangers14]

Theres this??
Baptism
Parish, St Alfege, Greenwich, London
2nd August 1905
George Henry Blacklee (transcrobed as Blackler) Parents, George Phillip and Rosa Helen. Surname Blacklee/ April 1st 1905. 57, Ashburnham Road. Clerk.

Marriage

Christ Church, Forest Hill, Lewisham
27th Feb 1904
George Phillip Blacklee, 26, Bach. Clerk, 1 Castalia? Road, Millwall E, , father, John Blacklee, Travellar
Rosa Helen Griffen, 26, Spin, Ellerslie? Inglemore Road, Forest Hill, father, Solomon Griffen (deceased) Blacksmith
both signed
Wit,
John Henry Blacklee
Jeannie W Mason

[peterd]

that birth looks good jo

1881 Aspenden Maltg Yd, Aspenden, Hertford


Solomon GRIFFIN 39 Standon, Hertford, Blacksmith
Elizabeth GRIFFIN 39 Westmill, Hertford,
Phillis E.E. GRIFFIN 15 Westmill, Hertford,
Herbert George GRIFFIN 12 Westmill, Hertford,
Alonzo John GRIFFIN 10 Westmill, Hertford, Scholar
Ada GRIFFIN 7 Westmill, Hertford, Scholar
Emily Dina GRIFFIN 5 Westmill, Hertford, Scholar
Rosey Ellen GRIFFIN 3 Aspenden, Hertford, Scholar
Ernest Solomon GRIFFIN 10 m Aspenden, Hertford,

[peterd]

maybe george phillip ?


1881; 13 Mason S Southwark St George Martyr, Surrey,

John BLACKLY 55 Southwark, Surrey, Fch Polisher
Martha BLACKLY 43 Southwark, Surrey,
Eliza BLACKLY 11 Southwark, Surrey, Scholar
Henry BLACKLY 6 Southwark, Surrey, Scholar
Alice BLACKLY 5 Southwark, Surrey, Scholar
George BLACKLY 2 Southwark, Surrey,

[grangers14]

Oh I thought this?
Transcribed as Blacker looks like Blacklee
1891. 21 Acacia Parade, Plumsted East
Rebecca Blacklee, head, M, 45, Living on own means, Woolwich, Kent
Edith, daur, 23, Assist. Mistress (London School borad)Woolwich, Kent
Charles, son, 19, Storeman shop,
Arthur, son, 17, Pupil Teacher(London School Borad)
George, son, 16, Clerk,
Albert, son, 15,
Harry, son, 5 (8?) Plumstaed Kent
All others born United States Mass.

[peterd]

yeh jo that looks like them and it ties in the american point

here them in

1881; 19 New St, Woolwich, Kent

Rebecca Indiana BLACKLEE Head 35 Woolwich, Kent, England Wife Of John Blacklee In America
Edith Adelaide BLACKLEE 13 Woolwich, Kent, England Scholar
John Archibald BLACKLEE 12 Reading, Berkshire, England Scholar
Charles Herbert BLACKLEE 9 United States Scholar
Arthur Percival BLACKLEE 7 United States Scholar
George Phillip BLACKLEE 6 United States Scholar
Albert Edward BLACKLEE 3 United States

[Shane_blacklee]

Thanks for that guys. I'm convinced George Philip is the one I'm after; I've found a John Goode Blacklee that seems to have married a Rebbecca Indiana THOMAS, so that ties that up. Although I have no idea where this American thing is coming from. There's a 'Daniel Blacklee' that marries a 'Jane Goode', so I thought that's possibly where this John character gets his middle name, although in the census it says this Daniel Blacklee is married to a Susan, so that's a bit confusing.

[peterd]

cant see him on the usa 1880 census anyone find him see what he up too

[dianel]

There's this christening:

Free BMDs:
NAME:
John Goode Blackler
BIRTH:
Dec 1841 - St Ives, Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire