Hmm any way to tell without original certificate!?

[Maths girl]

so
1901 3. Asylum Cottages.
Chas Higgs 53 Engine driver stationary engine Sulhampstead
Eliza Higgs 43 Kelvedon
Beatrice Higgs 10 Dartford
Jessie Rose Higgs 9 Darenth
Elizabeth Wuller 42 visitor Stroud

[Fatman]

yeah!
thats the one... its charles as a child i cant find on the census

[Maths girl]

yeah!
thats the one... its charles as a child i cant find on the census

I understand that but if you want to try to identify which one he is without getting a certificate you need to look outside the box to see if there are any clues elsewhere if we can find the 1911 census then we can find out how long they say they have been married and how many children they had etc. --maybe therefore whether we are looking at the right one

Right now I am thinking that the R Higgs could be "uncle" Robert born 1846

[grangers14]

Hanon! Thought you must have had 1911.
Just get it for you.
Jo

[Maths girl]

Hanon! Thought you must have had 1911.
Just get it for you.
Jo

I've been trying but can't get onto FMP -- guess why not!

[Maths girl]

Got it

1911 Carlton Villas Stone Greenhithe
HIGGS, Charles Head Married M 63 1848 Pensioned Engineer Assistant Berkshire Sulhamstead
HIGGS, Eliza Wife Married 21 years F 52 1859 Essex Kelvedon
HIGGS, Beatrice Lily Daughter Single F 20 1891 Student For Teaching Profession Kent Dartford
HIGGS, Jessie Rose Daughter Single M 19 1892 Uncertificated Teacher Kent Darenth
ELLE, Marjorie Visitor F 2 1909 Hampshire Southampton

2 children born to marriage

so looks like second marriage

[grangers14]

Lucky you MG! ...
Match!
I had seen it this morning thats why I went for the second marriage but thought Andrew had it.
What other witness?
I had thought may be R was Jessie Rose??

Jo

[Maths girl]

Possible second marriage
Eliza Daniel 1889 Romford Essex
Charles Higgs 1889 Romford Essex
Emma Quy 1889 Romford Essex
Edward Stevens 1889 Romford Essex

[Maths girl]

Can't find a possibility for the first marriage!

Did they marry? --
Was Alfred E -- Charles son or Ellen's but took Charles name? -- can't find possible birth !

Looks like getting a certificate is necessary but which one depends on what info would be most useful.

[Fatman]

What other witness?
I had thought may be R was Jessie Rose??

she wouldnt witness her own wedding though?

[Maths girl]

Possible first marriage

Albert Edward G S Hacon 1871 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex
Charles Edward Higgs 1871 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex
Ellen Thirst Lambard 1871 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex
Sarah Ann Nial 1871 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex

Only Alfred E Higgs born about right time

Alfred Edward Higgs
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 46

Marriage and birth both registered Middlesex -- but census states ALfred born Beenham -- soo???

Possible death
Ellen Higgs abt 1848 1877 Brentford Middlesex no not old enough

[linell]

I thought it was possibly a 1st marriage to Ellen and then Eliza?
Age and place of birth match for Ellen?
I think its best, always is really, to get a certificate.
Jo

I agree with Jo, this speculation is not really much help, you need to order the certificate.

Linell.

[Maths girl]

I agree with Jo, this speculation is not really much help, you need to order the certificate.

Linell.

Yes but it depends on what information Andrew needs as to which would be most useful if he is on a limited budget.

Jessie Rose birth certificate would give mother's maiden name
Charles Higgs marriage certificate would give father's name and occupation -- that might narrow down census

[linell]

You still need the Certificate to prove any theory you may have.

Linell.

[Fatman]

looks like ill be working out how to order a cert from the relevant places then!