Somat aint rite here........Mary Ann Lowe/Poole/Kibler /Tayl

[Northern Lass]

This family is doing my head in
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =614466893

Is this the same Mary Ann

with Joseph Lowe in 1861
1871 wid living next to future hubby
then marries Samuel Taylor in 1880

and marriage says this

25 Dec 1880 St Thomas Dudley
Samuel Taylor 47 widower miner Dudley Samuel Taylor dead miner
Mary Ann Poole 39 widow Dudley John Kibler dead miner
banns
Wit- Thomas Poole X / Elizabeth Cornfield X

now Q's

The wits are her son and dau in law...on his marriage father is a Joseph Poole
Joseph Lowe seems to use Poole and Lowe....that is if the lot on the 1861 are the same as on 1871
or
is it a different family

1861 Census Blackheath
all Nailers all born in Rowley Regis
Eber Lowe HD M 23
Rebecca Wife 23
Sarah Jane D 1
Elijah 1 month
Joseph Lowe Lodger U 32
Mary Ann Poole Boarder U 26
Thomas Poole Boarder 5
Joseph Poole Boarder 2

1871 Census Blackheath
Ann Lowe Widow 40
Thomas Lowe Son 14
Joseph Lowe Son 11
Hannah Lowe DA 8
Sarah Lowe DA 1


Mary Ann married William Poole in 1871
1871
POOLE William KIBBLER Mary A Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/001/69

Not kids Thomas Poole and Hannah Poole put Joseph Poole as father on marriage
Thomas marries Elizabeth Cornfield wit at Mary anns marriage
I think Joseph Lowe is Joseph Poole uses both names

he dies before 1871 she is a wid on census
then marries William Poole

but why 2 Hannahs
and why does Sarah Poole put father as John Poole
and
Hannah the later Hannah put no father but mother Mary ann poole

this is a nightmare!

really need help here guys

[Northern Lass]

It looks like we have Joseph Lowe on already
brother is Eber who he is lodging with on 1861

[Northern Lass]

There is a Hezekiah Taylor aged 5 grandson here

1861 Blackheath:-
WILLIAM LOWE Head Married 52 yrs
SOPHIA LOWE Wife Married 53 yrs
SOPHIA LOWE Daughter Unmarried 16 yrs
SARAH LOWE Daughter 14 yrs
HEZEKIAH TAYLOR Grandson 6 yrs

now is this Mary Ann that Samuel Taylor marries first
LOWE Mary A TAYLOR Samuel H Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/015/20

I think it is
cos the marriage I looked up as a poss for Samuel Taylor in 1863 was in correct as wrong father
Samuels father is a Samuel

I think that works as the connection between Samuel Taylor and Mary Ann Kibler Poole
Mary Ann dies
and Samuel marries his sister in law
only Joseph Lowe and Mary Ann Poole didnt marry!

[FarSide]

Am I missing something, she a Poole on the 61 then marries William Poole in 71?

1861 Census Blackheath
all Nailers all born in Rowley Regis
Eber Lowe HD M 23
Rebecca Wife 23
Sarah Jane D 1
Elijah 1 month
Joseph Lowe Lodger U 32
Mary Ann Poole Boarder U 26
Thomas Poole Boarder 5
Joseph Poole Boarder 2

he dies before 1871 she is a wid on census
then marries William Poole

[Northern Lass]

I have changed her name now to Kibler

she seems to have kids by a Joseph Poole
but dont think she married him
they are the father on marriage of Thomas and Hannah
then she shacks up with Joseph Lowe
no marriage
then she marries in 1871 to William Poole
then Samuel Taylor

so I think that Joseph Lowe is not the father
but
why does she take name in 1871

[FarSide]

Ah ok missed the Joseph Poole

[Northern Lass]

Ok I have just added in her maiden name
and added in her hubbies or partners

have added in Joseph Poole based on Thomas and Hannas marriage info
but I think this is made up and is really Joseph Lowe
we can always change it back

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =446659813

just need to work thru this with you all

[Northern Lass]

So do we think this is the same Mary Ann in 1861 and then in 1871

1861 Census Blackheath
all Nailers all born in Rowley Regis
Eber Lowe HD M 23
Rebecca Wife 23
Sarah Jane D 1
Elijah 1 month
Joseph Lowe Lodger U 32
Mary Ann Poole Boarder U 26
Thomas Poole Boarder 5
Joseph Poole Boarder 2

1871 Census Blackheath
Ann Lowe Widow 40
Thomas Lowe Son 14
Joseph Lowe Son 11
Hannah Lowe DA 8
Sarah Lowe DA 1

[FarSide]

Poss
1851
Lye cross?, Rowley
John Hibler 37 - Coalminer - b Walsall?
Hannah Hibler 28 - Nail forger
Mary Ann Hibler 10
Elizabeth Hibler 8
Lovinia Hibler 2
John Hibler 1 Mo
Thomas Hipkiss 24 - Inmate - Labourer - b Dudley
others b Rowley

[Northern Lass]

I have posted all census now for Mary ann Kibler on her notes to make it easier
I havent put down the fathers or absent ones on the other kids Sarah Poole and the other Hannah
as this is getting ridiculous with all the fathers!!

either it is all wrong
or
she only married twice and lived with a few others
eg Joseph Lowe/ John Poole

really need this sorting logically cos losing it now

[FarSide]

Think so, I don't see any combo on the 61 of Thomas & Joseph Lowe with mother Ann or Mary, just her ages on the 61 she's 26 and the 71 40, but then she's taken different surnames..

1871 Census Blackheath
Ann Lowe Widow 40
Thomas Lowe Son 14
Joseph Lowe Son 11
Hannah Lowe DA 8
Sarah Lowe DA 1

[Northern Lass]

So do you think that we have it correct on BCC?

but what about that Sarah Jane Poole here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =978770503

is this wrong
I am wondering if this Sarah Jane is not her dau ie the one that marries Willetts


1881: 73 Oldbury Road, Rowley Regis
Samuel Taylor 46 Coalminer
Mary Ann Taylor 39 Nailmaker
Elizabeth Taylor 19 Dau U Nailmaker
Henry Taylor 15 Son Rivet maker
Phoebe Taylor 11 Dau
Hannah Taylor 9 Dau
I think all the kids above and Incl this Hanah are from a prev marriage for Samuel
Sarah Jane Pool 9 Step Dau
Hannah Pool 7 Dau
James Pool 4 Son
(all born Rowley Regis)

1891: 73 Oldbury Road
Samuel Taylor 56 Head Coal Miner
Mary A Taylor 56 Wife Nailmaker
Sarah J Poole 19 Step dau Brickyard Lab
Hannah Poole 17 Step dau Nailmaker
James Poole 14 Step Son blower for Rivet/Bolt maker
Philis Poole 9 Step dau ??this is incorrect she is his dau!
Sarah J Cox 20 Boarder Brickyard Lab (all born Rowley Regis)

Marriage added by Jan looked up at archives by RF
17 May 1891 Holy Trinity Oldbury
William Willetts 23 B Miner Park Lane Father William Willetts Miner
Sarah Jane Poole 19 S Park Lane Father John Poole Brick Maker
Wit; John Windmill /Susannah Cutler X

[kdw]

Who is this ?
1861 Blackheath
William Parkes Head 29 Coal Miner
Sarah Parkes Wife 32
Mark Parkes Son 3
James Parkes Son 2 Mo
Mary Ann Kibler Boarder U 20 Nail Maker
All Born Rowley

[Northern Lass]

Probably ours!

this is a mess what do I do with this one guys?
what is correct
what is wrong
what needs disconnecting

and to make it worse I think Samuel Taylors father is this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =525573374
and here with mother
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =310235621

[FarSide]

Marriage added by Jan looked up at archives by RF
17 May 1891 Holy Trinity Oldbury
William Willetts 23 B Miner Park Lane Father William Willetts Miner
Sarah Jane Poole 19 S Park Lane Father John Poole Brick Maker
Wit; John Windmill /Susannah Cutler X

Poss Witness's - Lavinia from the 51 earlier post
1887
KIBBLER Susannah CUTLER Josiah Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/002/240

1889
KIBBLER Lavinia WINDMILL John Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/002/338