*Arc tbc* ----Frances Mary Jones

[MarkCDodd]

According to the wedding lookup, Frances Mary Jones father was Thomas.

This is not what 99% of people have in their trees.

They have a Henry Richard Jones but I never accepted that as correct.

Trouble is, you can't find a Frances Jones living with a Thomas in the 1841 census.

I think we need to take a leap of faith and say this is her family and that the enumerator was confused by two Frances in the house.

1841 census transcription details for: Cottwallend, Sedgley, Wolverhampton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 998 Book/Folio: 2/19 Page: 6

Reg. District: Dudley Sub District: Sedgley
Parish: Sedgley Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Wolverhampton
Address: Cottwallend, Sedgley, Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born

JONES, Thos M 30 1811 Staffordshire
JONES, Suseannah F 30 1811 Staffordshire
JONES, John M 10 1831 Staffordshire
JONES, Catherine F 8 1833 Staffordshire
JONES, Francis M 6 1835 Staffordshire
JONES, Joseph M 5 1836 Staffordshire
JONES, Francis M 4 1837 Staffordshire

Franc(i)(e)s is spelt differently for the two children on the form and I am sure the youngest is Frances and has been marked male incorrectly.

It is the only one in 1841 in Staffordshire I can find where we have a Thomas and possible France Mary Jones under the same roof...

That would make her mother Susannah but I never see that name used in later generations. John and Frances named their first born girl Sarah Elizabeth so I would have expected Frances' mother to be an Elizabeth as that fits in with how they named their children. i.e Their first born boy John Thomas after child's two grandfathers.

Would people like to have a look and see if they can find any evidence for this being Frances Mary Jones family or if they can find a better fit.

Possible marriage for parents would be Thomas Jones marrying Susannah Jones, Sedgley on 04 Nov 1832. Wolverhampton Parish Church?

[Northern Lass]

Doesn't feel rite does it

Does it say the occup on the 1841 for Thomas?
here is Frances on BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

That dob for her is surely wrong
she is coming out as b 1834 ish on marriage
what is she on census?

death she is coming out b 1837

Deaths Sep 1907
Bradford Frances Mary 70 King's N. 6c 205

But she fits with this one you flagged prev ( on marriage age)
6/1673 18 Jan 1835 Frances Mary dau.of Mary JONES Bilston Single woman H.S.Fletcher

here is that Francis (male) with parents Thos and susannah
FRANCIS JONES
Christening: 25 JAN 1835 Sedgley, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS JONES
Mother: SUSANNAH
Extracted birth

what is the occup of Thos on census

that bapt can be looked up to see occup just add it if you want it looked up

was maybe the name Thomas used as so many are on marriages out of respectablility
and maybe was her uncle?

[MarkCDodd]

1861 Census born 1836 Bilston
1871 Census born 1838 Bilston
1881 Census born 1837 Hall Green (John also put down Hall Green for this Census)
1891 Census born 1837 Bilston
1901 Census born 1836 Bilston

Marriage born 1834
Death born 1837

Thomas is a Labourer on the 1841 Census.

Thomas might be Step father/Uncle/Cousin?

The bastard of Mary Jones fits everything but the father on the marriage.

[Northern Lass]

I think that bapt at Bilston is the rite one and have added it as a possible in notes

Suggest maybe get this looked up
and see if wits are a Mary Jones or other for Thomas to see who his sibs are
This is All Saints Sedgley not Wolverhampton church
again if you want it looked up
add it to the list

THOMAS JONES
Marriages:
Spouse: SUSANNAH JONES
Marriage: 04 NOV 1832 Sedgley, Stafford, Extracted

[Northern Lass]

This looks good Mark

Penn is very near Sedgley just down the road

Father: William Jones, Mother: Frances
Batch Number: C010282

1. THOMAS JONES - Male Christening: 05 APR 1801 Penn, Stafford,

2. JOHN JONES - Male Christening: 13 SEP 1795 Penn, Stafford,

3. GEORGE JONES - : Male Christening: 10 MAR 1799 Penn, Stafford,

and batch no....C010284
MARY <JONES>
Christening: 25 DEC 1796 Penn, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM JONES
Mother: FRANCES Extracted birth

SARAH Christening: 21 NOV 1802 Penn, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM JONES
Mother: FRANCES Extracted


I think that 1841 is your Frances taken in by Uncle

[Northern Lass]

Possible marriage at St Peters Wolverhampton

15 Jun 1795 William Jones b x Frances Jones s B John Jorden/Joseph Meready

[Northern Lass]

Ok Mark what are we doing on this one?

I think it is a possible the info above and have added in notes as that only ....a possible....

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =645476011

I will add that Marriage see who wits are
not added all the kids for Thos and Susannah

Flagging to archive this or will move to brick walls

[Northern Lass]

Ok have done the look up on the marriage

not sure if it gets us anywhere

4 Nov 1832 All Saints Sedgley
Thomas Jones otp bach
Susannah Jones otp spinster
banns
X both
Wit- Joseph Jones X / Sarah Jones

Not sure what to add on BCC

I think we put this Thomas and Susannah down and kids and marriage
and put a note on Frances Mary

Mary Jones mother of Frances could be sister to Thomas or Susannah

there is this

Father: Thomas Jones, Mother: Esther
Batch Number: C009984

1. MARY JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 JAN 1814 Sedgley, Stafford, England

2. JOHN JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 JUN 1817 Sedgley, Stafford, England

3. SUSANNA JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JUN 1810 Sedgley, Stafford, England



or this one
Father: Joshua Jones, Mother: Sarah

1. MARY JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 JUN 1812 Sedgley, Stafford, England

2. SUSANNA JONES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 31 DEC 1809 Sedgley, Stafford, England

[MarkCDodd]

I think the naming of their first son as John Thomas Bradford indicates that Thomas has some importance to Frances Mary.

It may be she was always in his care be it uncle or husband of auntie or whatever.

The baptism in Bilston must be her as I can find no other near Biltson in the time frame.

[Northern Lass]

If we are done with this I will rearchive
if you want it moving to Brickwalls just say