*ARc tbc*-Edwin Toy b1860 Hill, Worc-Help with Death record.

[Maths girl]

1871 Crock Street, Hill
TOY, William Head M 50 1821 Halesownen Worcestershire Nail Maker
TOY, Eliza Wife F 45 1826 Long Lane Worcestershire Nail Maker
TOY, William Son M 24 1847 Worcestershire Bricklayer
TOY, Edwin Son M 11 1860 Worcestershire Scholar
TOY, Pheaby Daughter F 6 1865 Worcestershire Scholar
TOY, David Son M 1 1870 Worcestershire

1861 Crock Street, Hill
TOY, William Head Married M 41 1820 Nail Maker Hill Worcestershire
TOY, Eliza Wife Married F 35 1826 Nail Maker Hill Worcestershire
TOY, William Son M 14 1847 Nail Maker Hill Worcestershire
TOY, Thomas Son M 12 1849 Nail Maker Ridgacre Worcestershire
TOY, Jane Daughter F 9 1852 Scholar Cakemore Worcestershire
TOY, Edwin Son M 0 (11M) 1861 Hill Worcestershire

1851 Hurst Green
TOY, William Married M 29 1822 Nail Forger Hales Owen Worcestershire
TOY, Eliza Wife Married F 25 1826 Nail Forger Hales Owen Worcestershire
TOY, Thomas Son M 2 1849 Hales Owen Worcestershire

[NickToye]

Not that I know of, but I have to admit I find it very strange that there are multiples of one name in such a small area.

[NickToye]

I also have some extra information about Edwin, he shows up on a school register for his children in 1891, 1892 & 1893 in Quinton National School. So between 1893 and 1901 something has happened.

[NickToye]

Also, this is the census in 1901

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx ... d=20003039

I can't quite make out what is written in the Profession or Occupation column. It looks like a name of some sorts,

[Maths girl]

Possible Ellen

1871 Clensmore Lane Court, St Mary, Kidderminster
WALFORD, Mary Head F 54 1817 Worcestershire Annutiant
WALFORD, Ellen Daughter F 14 1857 Worcestershire Errand Girl

1861 Clensmore Yard, Clensmore, Kidderminster
WALFORD, Thomas Head Married M 45 1816 Hand Loom Carpet Weaver Kidderminster Worcestershire
WALFORD, Mary Ann Wife Married F 43 1818 Kidderminster Worcestershire
WALFORD, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Drawer In Carpet Factory Kidderminster Worcestershire
WALFORD, Albert Son M 8 1853 Scholar Kidderminster Worcestershire
WALFORD, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar Kidderminster Worcestershire
WALFORD, Ellen Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar Kidderminster Worcestershire

[NickToye]

Yeah i'm fairly certain Walford is Ellen's maiden name.

Is there a way I can find out for sure? Would it require me to perhaps buy a birth certficate for Thomas, David or Eliza?

[Maths girl]

Also, this is the census in 1901

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx ... d=20003039

I can't quite make out what is written in the Profession or Occupation column. It looks like a name of some sorts,

Thomas Toy appears to be a Grocer while David Toy is an Errand Boy -- do David and Thomas have any significance?

[Maths girl]

Yeah i'm fairly certain Walford is Ellen's maiden name.

Is there a way I can find out for sure? Would it require me to perhaps buy a birth certficate for Thomas, David or Eliza?

The maiden name of their mother should be written on their birth certificates.

What are you basing your belief on? Just because it is similar names around the right date and no others are obvious does not count towards making it very certain -- just possible

[NickToye]

Well Thomas is my Great Grandfather, never knew he was a grocer. Not sure it means anything though. Ironically he was knocked down by a bread van,

[NickToye]

The maiden name of their mother should be written on their birth certificates.

Which I will have to purchase to find out?

[Maths girl]

The maiden name of their mother should be written on their birth certificates.

Which I will have to purchase to find out?

Sadly yes and the price has gone up recently too!

[Maths girl]

Possible Ellen

1871 Clensmore Lane Court, St Mary, Kidderminster
WALFORD, Mary Head F 54 1817 Worcestershire Annutiant
WALFORD, Ellen Daughter F 14 1857 Worcestershire Errand Girl

1861 Clensmore Yard, Clensmore, Kidderminster
WALFORD, Thomas Head Married M 45 1816 Hand Loom Carpet Weaver Kidderminster Worcestershire
WALFORD, Mary Ann Wife Married F 43 1818 Kidderminster Worcestershire
WALFORD, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Drawer In Carpet Factory Kidderminster Worcestershire
WALFORD, Albert Son M 8 1853 Scholar Kidderminster Worcestershire
WALFORD, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar Kidderminster Worcestershire
WALFORD, Ellen Daughter F 4 1857 Scholar Kidderminster Worcestershire

1851 Pitts Lane, Kidderminster
WALFORD, Thomas Head Married M 36 1815 Carpet Weaver Kidderr Worcestershire
WALFORD, Mary Anne Wife Married F 33 1818 Kidderr Worcestershire
WALFORD, Phoebe Daughter F 14 1837 Carpet Weavers Assistant Kidderr Worcestershire
WALFORD, Thomas Son M 12 1839 Carpet Weavers Assistant Kidderr Worcestershire
WALFORD, William Son M 9 1842 Carpet Weavers Assistant Kidderr Worcestershire
WALFORD, Eliza A Daughter F 4 1847 Kidderr Worcestershire
WALFORD, Alfred Son M 0 (3 MOS) 1851 Kidderr Worcestershire

1841Pitt's Lane, Kidderminster
WALFORD, Thomas M 25 1816 Worcestershire
WALFORD, Mary F 20 1821 Worcestershire
WALFORD, Phoebe F 4 1837 Worcestershire
WALFORD, Thomas M 2 1839 Worcestershire

[NickToye]

Thanks for all this.

The plot thickens, and tomorrow night I may delve some more.

I do however fear I may have to spend some gold and silver to get at some of the information I require.

[mallosa]

Hiya Nick and welcome !

Have you seen what we have on BCC ...here

[NickToye]

yeah that's how I got here.