*ARc tbc*-Edwin Toy b1860 Hill, Worc-Help with Death record.

[NickToye]

Hi,

My Great Grandfather Thomas Toye b 1883 in Quinton, Worc (born as Thomas Toy), was the first member of my family to move into the Chester area, and he did so with his Brother David Toye b 1885 at the turn of the last century, and it seems he and David were put into a school for orphans/poor children/child criminals - I am not 100% sure either way.

His father my GG Grandfather Edwin Toy b 1860 Hill, Worc. vanished from the census in 1891, as did his wife Ellen b 1858 (I don't have a surname). I have no record of their death at all, or any reason why they have vanished from existence.

They also had a daughter called Eliza b 1888 who remained in Quinton, Worcestershire and stayed with her Grand Mother Eliza Toy b 1828 Quinton.

If anyone can help me here I will be massively grateful. It's a missing piece in my family history and I would love to know what happened.

Nick

[Jimmy]

Possible.
Marriages Mar 1881.
TAYE Edwin. Stourbridge. 6c. 183.
UNDERHILL William. Stourbridge. 6c. 183.
WALFORD Ellen. Stourbridge. 6c. 183.
Wright Betsy. Stourbridge. 6c. 183.

[Jimmy]

Is this them.
Basics.
1891. Ridgacre. Worcs.
Edward Toye. abt 1861.
Ellen Toye. abt 1860.
Thomas Toye. abt 1884.
David Toye. abt 1886.
Eliza Toye. abt 1889.

[NickToye]

Jimmy, thanks for this. Where did you get the Marriage info from? What site?

And yes that is them.

[NickToye]

I don't understand the Underhill reference?

[Northern Lass]

This death is a bit out

Deaths Dec 1934
Toye Ellen 68 Dudley 6b 786

[Northern Lass]

Have you got the marriage of Eliza?
just wondered what it said on any of the marriages re fathers status ie dec'd
and wits

sometimes you get the father as a wit

[NickToye]

I couldn't find nothing on Eliza either.

Maybe I am looking in the wrong places.

[NickToye]

I have found a death record for an Ellen Toy b abt 1856 - which is only 2 years out.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... th&indiv=1

The location is Banbury, which may be the stumbling block.

[Maths girl]

I don't understand the Underhill reference?

Possible.
Marriages Mar 1881.
TAYE Edwin. Stourbridge. 6c. 183.
UNDERHILL William. Stourbridge. 6c. 183.
WALFORD Ellen. Stourbridge. 6c. 183.
Wright Betsy. Stourbridge. 6c. 183.

Nick

the earlier marriages were recorded 4 or even 8 to a page in the parish registers and it is not always clear without going back to the originals which lady married which man -- the assumption being made here is that William Underhill married Betsy Wright and that Edwin Taye married Ellen Walford -- more investigation needed to verify this and then even more to see if it the marriage that you are looking for.

HTH

Maths girl

[NickToye]

Ok it helps, but where is this document? I am searching from Ancestry, and what I have is Marriage registrations for that quarter, and for example I found the marriage for Edwin but it was just an alphabetical list.

[Maths girl]

1881 Lower Quinton, Ridgacre
TOY, Edwin Head Married M 20 1861 Bricklayer Quinton Worcestershire
TOY, Ellen Wife Married F 23 1858 Polisher (Artizan) Kidderminster Worcestershire
HAYCOCK, Thomas Boarder Widower M 69 1812 Nailer Quinton Worcestershire
HAYCOCK, John Boarder Single M 24 1857 Postman Castle Worcestershire

1891 Hagley Road, Warley
TOYE, Edwin Head Married M 30 1861 Bricklayer Quinton Worcestershire
TOYE, Ellen Wife Married F 31 1860 Kidderminster Worcestershire
TOYE, Thomas Son Single M 7 1884 Quinton Worcestershire
TOYE, David Son Single M 5 1886 Quinton Worcestershire
TOYE, Eliza Daughter Single F 2 1889 Quinton Worcestershire

[Maths girl]

Ok it helps, but where is this document? I am searching from Ancestry, and what I have is Marriage registrations for that quarter, and for example I found the marriage for Edwin but it was just an alphabetical list.

It will be at one of the archives -- one of the experienced ones will be on soon and will be able to tell you which one you need given the reference details

[NickToye]

Right, I see.

Ok, I have all the census's up until 1901 for Edwin and Ellen.

I'm 99% convinced that the marriage details above are accurate, and that Ellen is Ellen Walford.

[Maths girl]

Did Edwin remarry? How many Edwin Toye's were ther who were also Bricklayers??

1901 20, 2, House Court, Smith Street, Birmingham
TOYE, Edwin Head Married M 39 1862 Bricklayer Netherton Staffordshire
TOYE, Georgina Wife Married F 29 1872 Scotland

1911?? 6 Bk 23 Denmark St Aston Manor
TOYE, Edwin Head Married 13 years M 49 1862 Bricklayer Birmingham
TOYE, Florence A Wife Married 13 years F 39 1872 Birmingham
TOYE, Fanny Daughter F 12 1899 School Birmingham
TOYE, Edwin Son M 4 1907 Birmingham
TOYE, Marian G Daughter F 1 1910 Birmingham