*Arc tbc* --Samuel Billingham b abt 1866

[Northern Lass]

Can we find Samuel with father John Billingham on census prior to Samuels marr in 1886

Samuel is an Ironworker
John Chainmaker

need dob for John

[Jimmy]

Possible.
1881.
John BILLINGHAM Head M Male 62 Claines, Worcester, England Chainmaker
Mar BILLINGHAM Wife M Female 65 Cradley Heath, Stafford, England
Alfred BILLINGHAM Son U Male 26 Cradley Heath, Stafford, England Chainmaker
Samuel BILLINGHAM Son Male 25 Cradley Heath, Stafford, England Chainmaker


46 Spinners End.
Rowley Regis, Stafford.

[Annie]

This John is a chainmaker but no Samuel with them.

1881 New Village Netherton
John Billingham 41 Head marr chain maker
Ester Billingham 41
Sarah Billingham 20
Elon Billingham 17
Mary Billingham 17
Harry Billingham 15
Eliza Billingham 12
Minnie Billingham 8
Florence Billingham 6
Ester Billingham 4
Anne Billingham 2

Annie

[Jimmy]

Can we find Samuel with father John Billingham on census prior to Samuels marr in 1886

Samuel is an Ironworker
John Chainmaker

need dob for John

Any more details, Chain maker could also be an Iron worker, they make chains out of iron don't they.

[Maths girl]

Possible.
1881.
John BILLINGHAM Head M Male 62 Claines, Worcester, England Chainmaker
Mar BILLINGHAM Wife M Female 65 Cradley Heath, Stafford, England
Alfred BILLINGHAM Son U Male 26 Cradley Heath, Stafford, England Chainmaker
Samuel BILLINGHAM Son Male 25 Cradley Heath, Stafford, England Chainmaker


46 Spinners End.
Rowley Regis, Stafford.

1871 Spinner's End, Rowley Regis
BILLINGHAM, John Head M 52 1819 Staffordshire Kingswinford
BILLINGHAM, Maria Wife F 55 1816 Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Isaac Son M 18 1853 Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Rebecca Daughter F 18 1853 Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Alfred Son M 15 1856 Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Samuel Son M 14 1857 Staffordshire
WOODHOUSE, Joseph Father-In-Law M 74 1797 Worcestershire Dudley

rest born Rowley Regis all chainmakers


1861 Spinners End, Rowley Regis
BILLINGHAM, John Head Married M 39 1822 Chain Maker Stourbridge Worcestershire
BILLINGHAM, Maria Wife Married F 45 1816 Chain Maker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, William Son Unmarried M 23 1838 Chain Maker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840 Chain Maker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Joseph Son M 19 1842 Chain Maker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Isaac Son M 9 1852 Chain Maker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Rebecca Daughter F 9 1852 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Alfred Son M 7 1854 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Samuel Son M 5 1856 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Eliza Granddaughter F 1 1860 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
WOODHOUSE, Mary Ann Lodger Unmarried F 44 1817 Chain Maker Rowley Regis Staffordshire

1851 Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis
BILLINGHAM, John Head Married M 33 1818 Chain Maker Kingswinford Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Maria Wife Married F 35 1816 Chain Maker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, William Son M 13 1838 Chain Maker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Ann Daughter F 10 1841 Chain Maker Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Joseph Son M 8 1843 Scholar Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, John Son M 2 1849 Rowley Regis Staffordshire
BILLINGHAM, Simeon Son M 0 (8 MOS) 1851 Rowley Regis Staffordshire

[Northern Lass]

This is all I have

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =499593757

[Northern Lass]

This John is a chainmaker but no Samuel with them.

1881 New Village Netherton
John Billingham 41 Head marr chain maker
Ester Billingham 41
Sarah Billingham 20
Elon Billingham 17
Mary Billingham 17
Harry Billingham 15
Eliza Billingham 12
Minnie Billingham 8
Florence Billingham 6
Ester Billingham 4
Anne Billingham 2

Annie

wondering if the Netherton link might be them?

[Northern Lass]

Wondering if the John as father on this marriage for Samuel Billingham should say James

1st Aug 1886 St James Dudley
Samuel Billingham 20 bach Ironworker Netherton John Billingham chainmaker
Keturah Edwards 19 spinster Netherton John Edwards deceased Collier
banns
both signed
Wit - Joseph Jones X / Eliza Grove X

1891 Oak Street Quarry Bank
Joshua Wood Head 54 Chain Maker Born Dudley
Elizabeth Wood Daur. 16 Chain Maker Born Quarry Bank
Samuel Billingham Lodger M. 26 Chain Maker Born Quarry Bank
Keturah Billingham Lodger M. 30 Born Cradley
Amy M Billingham Lodger 5 Born Quarry Bank
John Billingham Lodger 7Mths Born Quarry Bank

then Keturah remarries and his here...

with a load of Homers which I think is significant

1901
172 High Street Quarry Bank
Joseph Bradley Head 28 Coal mIner Odd Jobs Born Old Hill
Katurah Bradley Wife 33 Born Cradley
Phoebe Billingham Step Daur. 14 Labourer at Bucket Works Born Old Hill
Annie Billingham Step Daur. 12 Born Quarry Bank
John Billingham Step son 10 Born Quarry Bank
James Billingham Step Son 6 Born Quarry Bank
Abel Homer Boarder M. 31 Chain Maker Born Cradley Heath
Polly Homer Boarder M. 30 Born Quarry Bank
Alice Homer Boarder 5 Born Quarry Bank
Florrie Homer Boarder 4 Born Quarry Bank
John Homer Boarder 2 Born Quarry Bank


I am wondering if Samuel is actually the son of James and Esther

1871 Birch Coppice Kingswinford
James Billingham Head 38 Chain Maker Born Kingswinford
Esther Billingham Wife 38 Born Kingswinford
Thos Billingham Son 13 Chain Maker Born Kingswinford
James Billingham Son 13 Chain Mkaer Born Kingswinford
Pheoby Billingham Daur. 10 Scholar Born Kingswinford
Alexander Billingham Son 9 Scholar Born Kingswinford
Samuel Billingham Son 8 Scholar Born Kingswinford
Joseph Billingham Son 4 Scholar Born Kingswinford
Dorothy Billingham Daur. 2 Born Kingswinford
Major Billingham Son 1 Born Kingswinford

and then James remarries here...
1881: High St, Kingswinford
James Billingham 47 Head Chainmaker
Sophia Billingham 46 Wife
Alexandra Billingham 17 Son Chainmaker
Samuel Billingham 16 Son Lab in Iron Works
Joseph Billingham 13 Son Blower in chainshop
(all born Quarry Bank)

I have both these marriages looked up for James and Esther Mallon and Sophia HIllman yet to enter

I think the Samuel here is the Samuel that marries Keturah
and that father should say James not John.

James b abt 1833 is son of James b 1803 and Nancy
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =444036920

Ances trees seem to have Nancy as a Homer

what do you think?

[Northern Lass]

I think one is father George for these and other is James

1865
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
BILLINGHAM Samuel Tipton Sandwell Register Office TIP/70/167



1866
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
BILLINGHAM Samuel Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/103/206

[Northern Lass]

Although this could be the one for Samuel and James
1863
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
BILLINGHAM Samuel Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/063/318

this would fit the death
Deaths Sep 1895 BILLINGHAM Samuel 32 Stourbridge 6c 101

[kdw]

Have added census and kids for James Billingham here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =677111564

[Northern Lass]

Thanks Kaye

I am going to flag to archive this I cant connect that Samuel of James to
the one that marries Keturah as it seems there are 3 of them

so flagging to archive
thanks everyone for help