Eliza Saunders abt 1857

[kdw]

Looked this marriage up
14 Feb 1876 St Johns Halesowen
Arthur Wood X 21 Spade and Shovel Maker Boro John Wood Nailer
Eliza Saunders 19 Spinster Boro William Saunders Nailer
Wit: John Saunders X Hannah White X

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =990519660

Need to find he mother please have all info on grooms side

[Jimmy]

1881.
William SAUNDERS Head M Male 56 Halesowen, Worcester, England Nailer
John SAUNDERS Son U Male 28 Halesowen, Worcester, England Nailer
Arthur WOOD Son In Law (Lodger) M Male 27 Blackheath, Stafford, England Spade Maker
Eliza WOOD Daur M Female 24 Halesowen, Worcester, England Nailer
John WOOD Grand Son Male 4 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Alfred WOOD Grand Son Male 2 Halesowen, Worcester, England


Rumbow.
Halesowen, Worcester.

[Jimmy]

1861. Halesowen.
William Sanders. abt 1825.
Myria Sanders. abt 1824.
Sarah Sanders. abt 1847.
Ann Sanders. abt 1849.
John Sanders. abt 1854. possible witness.
Emma Sanders. abt 1856.
Eliza Sanders. abt 1858.

[Jimmy]

This looks like the same family.

1851. Brook Road, Halesowen.
William Sanders. Head. 26. M. Nailer. born Halesowen. could be Saunders on image.
Ann Eliza Sanders. Wife. 27. M. Nailer. born Black Heath.
Ann Sanders. 2. Dau. born Black Heath.
Sarah Hipkiss. 4. Lodger. born Black Heath.
Joseph Sanders. 33. Lodger. born Halesowen.

[Jimmy]

This looks like the same family.

1851. Brook Road, Halesowen.
William Sanders. Head. 26. M. Nailer. born Halesowen. could be Saunders on image.
Ann Eliza Sanders. Wife. 27. M. Nailer. born Black Heath.
Ann Sanders. 2. Dau. born Black Heath.
Sarah Hipkiss. 4. Lodger. born Black Heath.
Joseph Sanders. 33. Lodger. born Halesowen.

Could be Williams first marriage.
West Midlands Marriage 1849.
SANDERS William, HIPKISS Hannah E, Oldbury, Christ Church. Sandwell Register Office. 12/1/200.

Marriages Jun 1849.
Cornell Elizabeth. W Bromwich. 18. 775.
Garrison William. W Bromwich. 18. 775.
Glaze Mary. W Bromwich. 18. 775.
Hipkiss Hannah Eliza. W Bromwich. 18. 775.
Horton Charles. W Bromwich. 18. 775.
Pardoe Sarah Ann. W Bromwich. 18. 775.
Sanders William. West Bromwich. 18. 775.
Yeandle Thomas. W Bromwich. 18. 775.

[kdw]

Have found this but dont understand it

1871 Rumbow Halesowen
Thomas Bale Head Mar. 69 Nail Maker Born Cradley
Elizabeth Bale Wife Mar. 71 Nail Maker Born Lapal
John Saunders Son 17 Nail Maker Born Halesowen
Emma Saunders Daur. 15 Nail Maker Born Halesowen
Eliza Saunders Daur. 13 Nail Maker Born Halesowen

[kdw]

1901 Dudley Road Halesowen
Elizah White Head M 52 Nail Maker Born Kingswinford (Elijah )
Sarah White Wife 54 Born Blackheath
Victor White Son 20 Button Maker Born Haleoswen
Percy White Son 45 Apprentice in ? Works Born Halesowen
William Saunders Father in Law Widr 77 Born Halesowen
John Saunders Brother in Law 47 Postman Born Halesowen

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1864
WHITE Elijah HIPKISS Sarah Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/1

[Jimmy]

Have found this but dont understand it

1871 Rumbow Halesowen
Thomas Bale Head Mar. 69 Nail Maker Born Cradley
Elizabeth Bale Wife Mar. 71 Nail Maker Born Lapal
John Saunders Son 17 Nail Maker Born Halesowen
Emma Saunders Daur. 15 Nail Maker Born Halesowen
Eliza Saunders Daur. 13 Nail Maker Born Halesowen

Same children could they be grandchildren in 1871.
1861. New Road,
SANDERS,William,,head,M,M,36,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,Myria,,wife,M,F,37,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,Sarah,,dau,U,F,14,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,Ann,,dau,,F,12,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,John,,son,,M,7,,Scholar,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,Emma,,dau,,F,5,,Scholar,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,Eliza,,dau,,F,3,,Scholar,,,WOR,Halesowen.

[Jimmy]

Have found this but dont understand it

1871 Rumbow Halesowen
Thomas Bale Head Mar. 69 Nail Maker Born Cradley
Elizabeth Bale Wife Mar. 71 Nail Maker Born Lapal
John Saunders Son 17 Nail Maker Born Halesowen
Emma Saunders Daur. 15 Nail Maker Born Halesowen
Eliza Saunders Daur. 13 Nail Maker Born Halesowen

1861. Lapal, Manor Lane.
BATE, Thomas, head, M, M, 58, Nailer, WOR, Cradley.
BATE, Elizabeth, wife, M, F, 59, Nailer, WOR, Halesowen.

[kdw]

Have looked these marriages up
28 Nov 1864 St Johns Halesowen
Elijah White 20 Bachelor Nailer Boro William White Nailer
Sarah Hipkiss X 18 Spinster Nailer Boro No fathers name
Wit: William Saunders X
Sarah White X

7 June 1875 St John Halesowen
Abel Shilvock 22 Bachelor Nailer Boro Eli Shilvock Nailer
Emma Saunders 20 Spinster Nailer Boro William Saunders Nailer
Wit: Arthur Wood X
Eliza Saunders

I think this is Abels father http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =897412773
1861 Spring Hill Halesowen
Eli Shilvock Head 41 Nailer
Fanny Shilvock Wife 42 Nailer
Joseph Shilvock Son 17 Nailer
Mary Ann Shilvock Daur. 15 Nailer
Betsey Shilvock Daur. 11 Horn Button Clipper
Abell Shilvock Son 9 Horn Button Clipper
Sarah Shilvock Daur.5 Scholar
Rowland Shilvock Son 2 Scholar
All Born Hasbury


So this fits in with William marrying Hannah but who are the Bates and how do they fit in and who is Myria on the 1861
1871 Rumbow Halesowen
Thomas Bale Head Mar. 69 Nail Maker Born Cradley
Elizabeth Bale Wife Mar. 71 Nail Maker Born Lapal
John Saunders Son 17 Nail Maker Born Halesowen
Emma Saunders Daur. 15 Nail Maker Born Halesowen
Eliza Saunders Daur. 13 Nail Maker Born Halesowen

1861. New Road,
SANDERS,William,,head,M,M,36,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,Myria,,wife,M,F,37,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,Sarah,,dau,U,F,14,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,Ann,,dau,,F,12,,Nail Maker,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,John,,son,,M,7,,Scholar,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,Emma,,dau,,F,5,,Scholar,,,WOR,Halesowen.
SANDERS,Eliza,,dau,,F,3,,Scholar,,,WOR,Halesowen.

[grangers14]

I was looking at this yesterday and didnt have time to do it.
I dont now have to go but just quickly,
On the 1871 census there is \\ under Eliza and John is showing as son but in another household. So I was looking to see if I could find his Dad somewhere else??
That Bate family are around in 1851, under Bestes or something like that in an earlier census.
Just something I was thinking.
Jo

[kdw]

I think they are 2 seperate houses in 1861

Have added the Shilvocks here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =435257096

This is getting complicated
I think Abel died and Emma remarried William Parkes
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1888
SHILVOCK Emma PARKES William Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/006/3

1891 63 Hackett Street Rowley Regis
William Parkes Head 47 Nial Maker Born Rowley Regis
Emma Parkes Wife 36 Nail Maker Born Halesowen
Phoebe Parkes Daur. 1 Born Halesowen
Annie Shilcock Grand Daur. 16 Born Halesowen
Walter Shilcock Grand Son 5 Scholar Born Halesowen

1901 115 Hackett Street Rowley Regis
Emma Parkes Head Wid 45 Born Halesowen
Walter Parkes Son 14 Tube Works Labourer Born Halesowen
Alice Parkes Daur. 7 Born Blackheath
Phoebe Parkes Daur. 11 Born Halesowen
George Moore Boarder Single 46 Puddler at Tube Works Born Halesowen
Charles Cole Boarder Single 54 Brick ? Labourer Born Blackheath
Edward Cole Boarder Single 23 Carter General Haulier Born Blackheath
Samuel Cole Boarder Single 17 Jouneyman Baker Born Blackheath

Havent added the marriage for Elijah White and Sarah

William may have married again
Possible marriages
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1853
SAUNDERS William BAKER Ann M Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/003/115

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1861
SAUNDERS * William OWEN Mary Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/004/35
SAUNDERS * William OWENS Mary Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/004/35
SAUNDERS * William OWERS Mary Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/004/35

Do i wait for the lookup of William Saunders and Hannah before adding anything else

[Northern Lass]

I think so Kdw

shall we arch pending look ups?
or is the info good so that you are sure of adding it
not up to speed on this ......