*Archive TBC* Mary Lawler b abt 1846

[pridec]

I am new to your site, but not genealogy. I am originally from Wigan, but now live in Essex. I am researching several names. Houghton and Barker from Wigan. Atherton from Wigan. Price and Fitzgerald from Liverpool via Scotland and Ireland. and Lawler from Ireland later Wigan. It is my Great Grandmother Mary Lawler that I am stuck on. from her marriage I have her birth as 1846 ish she married Charles Atherton in 1873, but her address on the certificate is given as The Clarence Hotel, Wigan. She worked there as a servant. She died in 1905 so on the census 81, 91 and 1901 her birth place is given as Ireland, Wigan and Wicklow. Take your pick. My mother always believed she was from Wicklow. I tried to find her on earlier census, in theory she should be somewhere on the 1871 but where. Her father was James Lawler. I found a Mary Lawler a servant living in Manchester on 1871 census Mother Mary along with brothers and sisters, but can't find any of them on the next census. I recently came across the death of a small child age 3, named Rosanna Gorman Lawler in Manchester so I sent off for the death certificate. It says found drowned 15th September 1873, Rochdale Canal, Nr Pott St, Ancoats. Daughter of William Lawler ships carpenter now in America. This interested me as my Mary named one of her daughters Rosanna. I thought I would send off for her birth certificate to see if the mother's name would give me any clues, address etc. but I cannot find any record of the birth. So I then thought this must have been reported in the local newspaper at the time. I thought I might find these online, this is how I came across your site. Any suggestions, would be appreciated.
Thanks Pridec

[peterd]

hi pridec and welcome to the forum

post the census that you do have

and who are the witnesses on the marriage cert ?

[pridec]

Hi Peterd

I forgot to say that Charles Atherton was born 1847 in Frog Lane, no father on birth certificate.His mother is on the 1851 census lodging in Frog Lane with her 4 children, with a Mary Brown, William brown son, Charles Brown son and Thomas Brown grandson. In 1853 Mary married William Brown, ( so the children took on the name of Brown except for the official documents, birth, marriage and death certificates. They then reverted back to Atherton.) Mary gave her father's name as William Atherton. I wondered whether William Brown was in fact the father of these children. Also the names on marriage certificate are Charles Atherton age 26 he also gives William Atherton as his father. and Mary Lawler age 26 father James Lawler , labourer. witnesses are Timothy Handley and Elizabeth Benson. I have tried to post the census but don't know how to do it.
Thanks
Pridec

[peterd]

census i think they type out the details

[peterd]

Hi Peterd

I forgot to say that Charles Atherton was born 1847 in Frog Lane, no father on birth certificate.His mother is on the 1851 census lodging in Frog Lane with her 4 children, with a Mary Brown, William brown son, Charles Brown son and Thomas Brown grandson. In 1853 Mary married William Brown, ( so the children took on the name of Brown except for the official documents, birth, marriage and death certificates. They then reverted back to Atherton.) Mary gave her father's name as William Atherton. I wondered whether William Brown was in fact the father of these children. Also the names on marriage certificate are Charles Atherton age 26 he also gives William Atherton as his father. and Mary Lawler age 26 father James Lawler , labourer. witnesses are Timothy Handley and Elizabeth Benson. I have tried to post the census but don't know how to do it.
Thanks
Pridec

is this mary right age c 1845 that married charles is he dead by 1881 as this mary living in frog lane ?

1881 98 Frog Lane Wigan, Lancashire

Mary ATHERTON W 36 Wigan, Lancashire, Washerwoman
Henry ATHERTON 12 Wigan, Lancashire, Cotton Operative
Ellen ATHERTON 10 Wigan, Lancashire, Cotton Operative
Isabella ATHERTON 9 Wigan, Lancashire, Scholar

[mallosa]

It does say she was a Widow in 1881 Pete.

[peterd]

It does say she was a Widow in 1881 Pete.

yeh san i know she a widow on census but i was asking pridec to confirm its the right mary ive found and is charles dead before 1881?

as charles and mary did mary until 1873 there a son henry 12 ?

[mallosa]

Well, that's told me, hasn't it?

[peterd]

:lol: Well, that's told me, hasn't it?

can you find that family in 1871 as i cannot find a charles atherton c 1847 with a mary in 1881 ? cheers

[pridec]

Hi Pete
No that is not my Mary and family.
1881 census 10 Wilcock Street Wigan
Charles Brown head 33 married engine driver born Wigan
Mary Brown wife 33 housekeeper born Dublin
Charles Brown son 6 scholar born Wigan Deaf and Dumb from birth
Mary Brown daughter 5 scholar born Wigan deaf and dumb from birth
Sarah Ellen daughter 4 born Wigan deaf and dumb from birth
Roseanna daughter 2 born Wigan
Margaret daughter 4 months born Wigan

1882 saw the birth of my grandmother Martha also deaf and dumb from birth

1891 census 62 Spring Gardens Wigan
Charles Brown head 44 general labourer born Wigan
Mary Brown wife 43 born Wigan
Charles Brown son 16 bread maker born Wigan d & d
Mary Brown daughter 15 Tailoress born Wigan d & d
Rose A daughter 11 scholar born Wigan
Margaret daughter 10 scholar born Wigan

no Sarah Ellen or Martha I later found them in a deaf and dumb school in Liverpool.

1901 20 Diggle Street Wigan
Charles Brown head 54 Railway Engine Driver born Wigan
Mary Brown wife born Ireland Wicklow
Charles Brown son 26 breadmaker journeyman born Wigan d & d
Mary Brown daughter 24 tailoress born Wigan d & D
Sarah Ellen Brown daughter 23 tailoress born Wigan d & d
Margaret Brown daughter 20 born Wigan
Rosanna Wilkinson daughter married 21 born Wigan
William Brown Grandson 3 born Wigan
Mary Wilkinson grandaughter 4 months born Wigan

by this time my Grandmother had married June 18th 1900 St Michael and All Angels Church Wigan
Robert Barker 21 Cabinet Maker 16 Rupert Street father William Barker
Martha Atherton 18 dressmaker 20 Diggle Street father Charles Atherton

my Great grandmother Mary Lawler (Atherton-Brown) died in 1905 and on the 1911 census Charles reverts back to the name of Atherton
13 Fitzadam Street Wigan
Charles Atherton head 63 Widower Pumper colliery born Wigan
Sarah Ellen Atherton 33 single tailoress born Wigan
William Atherton grandson 12 scholar born Wigan. this is the William Brown on the 1891 census.
confusing isn't it?
Pridec

[mallosa]

I don't know if this is relevant or not, but just in case it helps.........

all 1871

68 Frog Lane
John Atherton 31
Mary Atherton 30
Mary Jane 9
Caroline 4
John 2

74 Frog Lane
John Atherton 75 Cotton Weaver
Jane Atherton 68
Thomas 42 Son U
Ellen 29 Dau U

all born Wigan

76 Frog Lane
William Brown 57 Carter
Mary Brown 57
Charles Brown 23 Son U
Moses Brown 17 Son U
Francis Waterworth 24 m Son In Law
Sarah Waterworth 30 M Dau
Esther Holland 6 Boarder

[pridec]

Hi Mallosa
The first two are not relevant the last one 76 Frog Lane is my g.g. grandparents and the Charles son is my g grandad married to the Mary Lawler that I am interested in.
Thanks Pridec

[grangers14]

Is this completed? Can it be Archived?
Jo