*Archived* -Harrys query dingley/smart

[HarryinKF]

Think I would have preferred COCKSHED LANE had my Gr Gr DINGLEY Grandfather living with one of his sons and had the families of two other sons on the same street in 1841. The families were still there in 1851.

However, since ISLINGTON in 1851 is the street, I have two puzzles on that street for you all. A SMART family with an Anne DINGLEY age 7 living with them, and a DINGLEY family which I haven't been able to connect to my tree.

The Dingley Family
DINGLEY,Thomas, HD, 31 nail maker, b. Halesowen.;
Frances, Wife, 29, b. Halesowen;
John, Son ,4, b.Halesowen;
Mary, Dau, 2, b Halesowen;
John, Father, 72 Nail maker, b. Haystich, Wor. (They were still there in 1861)

The Smart Family
SMART, Edward, HD, 34, nail maker, b. Halesowen;
Sarah, Wife, 30, b. Ipswich, SFK,
Thomas, Son, 10, nail maker, b. Halesowen;
George Son 6 Scholar, b. Halesowen;
Edward Son 4 b. Halesowen;
Sarah Ann Dau. 2 b. Halesowen;
Mary LG, UM, 55 Pauper/ nail maker b. Halesowen;
Ellen, LG U, 16, b. Halesowen;
DINGLEY, Anne, niece, 7, b. Halesowen
.

[linell]

Hi Harry there's another Smart family in Islington 1851:-
Schedule 033
John Smart HD M 25 Nailer Halesowen
Emma Wife 26 Halesowen
Sarah 4 H/O
Mary Anne 2 H/O
Emma 4 Months H/O
Phoebe Connop U 76 H/O

Just wondered if they are connected to Edward Smart? Best Wishes linell.

[Jimmy]

My ancestor Joseph Hall is at the Islington Hotel in Islington Halesowen in 1851, so they probably knew each other.

[Northern Lass]

Ok so here is the marriage

1839
SMART Edward HARDMAN Sarah Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/002/223

[Northern Lass]

Bapt submitted record

EDWARD SMART Christening: 12 OCT 1817 Halesowen, Worcester,
Father: JOSEPH SMART Mother: MARY
Form submitted

so not sure if that would be St Johns Hales owen as I thought that was on the IGI so which church?

and that Mary with them must be his mother..

wot does LG mean??

[Northern Lass]

Ok I think that Ann Dingley is the dau of Thomas Dingley and Fanny Smart.
And Fanny must be Edwards sister.
So how do these lot link in to any other Dingleys?

marriage here
1841
DINGLEY Thomas SMART Fanny Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/001/279

and a bapt here - submitted
Ann Dingley Birth: 29 APR 1844 Halesowen, Worcester,

Christening:
Death: 23 JAN 1920 Marseilles, La Salle, Illinois

Burial: 25 JAN 1920 Marseilles, La Salle, Illinois
Father: Thomas Dingley
Mother: Frances Smart
Ann married- Spouse: Abel Moore
Marriage: 29 APR 1867 Parish Church,Halesowen,Wrchs, , ,

1867
DINGLEY Ann MOORE Abel Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/276

so we need to find Fanny or Frances Smart with the parents Joseph and Mary and a brother Edward Smart

and the 2 marriages would confirm the fathers details the Edward and Sarah and the Thomas and Fanny.
.

[Northern Lass]

couple of marriages one in Sedgley 1814 but this one stuck out

JOSEPH SMART
Spouse: MARY WHITE
Marriage: 30 JUN 1817 Harborne, Stafford,
Extracted

couldnt see one for them in Worcs but think Harborne is close to Halesowen?

and there was a marriage in Worcs for possibly Josephs Parents in 1797- submitted though!

Joseph Smart
Birth: About 1772 Of, Dudley, Worcester,
Spouse: Mary Cocksey
Marriage: 26 DEC 1797

Record submitted

[Northern Lass]

So that ties the Dingley family in that are there in 1851 as Anns parents

[Northern Lass]

THOMAS DINGLEY
Christening: 20 SEP 1822 Halesowen, Worcester,
Father: JOHN DINGLEY
Mother: BETTY Extracted birth or christening

this looks good for that Thomas and a father John

can someone just check this lot and see if they agree I will try and stick it all on connections later!

[Northern Lass]

Hello! anyone!! please can you just check it for me.....pleaaaaaaaaaaaaseeeeeeeeeeee


Harry!! wot u think????

Do you want those marriages looked up just to confirm the father....and lets find the connection on Thomas to your Dingleys!

exciting!



this is the family we now need to chase Thomas and father John and mother Betty

The Dingley Family
DINGLEY,Thomas, HD, 31 nail maker, b. Halesowen.;
Frances, Wife, 29, b. Halesowen;
John, Son ,4, b.Halesowen;
Mary, Dau, 2, b Halesowen;
John, Father, 72 Nail maker, b. Haystich, Wor. (They were still there in 1861)

in fact gonna open up a new topic on this family so please answer on the new thread re who this Thomas and John are and how they link to other Dingleys!

[HarryinKF]

Good!! definitly made the Dingley Smart Connection
"wot does LG mean??" If it was on a census, I believe it meant Lodger.
Harry

[Northern Lass]

Ok think this is completed and Pete has kindly volunteered to put all this on Connections....yay!

so unless otherwise advised this topic will be moved to archived enquiries within 24 hrs

[peterd]

these are all children of joseph and mary smart (All submitted)




EDWARD SMART Christening: 12 OCT 1817 Halesowen,........................ Worcester on 51 married

JOSEPH SMART Christening: 30 JAN 1820 Halesowen, Worcester, ............ married ruth 51,61,71

FANNY SMART Christening: 08 SEP 1822 Halesowen, Worcester................ on 51 married to thomas dingley

JANE SMART Christening: 23 JAN 1825 Halesowen, Worcester,

JOHN SMART Christening: 23 JAN 1825 Halesowen, Worcester,.... john married to emma, Islington 1851

THOMAS SMART Christening: 14 AUG 1831 Halesowen, Worcester,

ELLEN SMART Christening: 07 DEC 1834 Halesowen, Worcester,....... poss living with mother at bro edward


can any one find these together on 1841,51 census

[peterd]

couple of marriages one in Sedgley 1814 but this one stuck out

JOSEPH SMART
Spouse: MARY WHITE
Marriage: 30 JUN 1817 Harborne, Stafford,
Extracted

couldnt see one for them in Worcs but think Harborne is close to Halesowen?

and there was a marriage in Worcs for possibly Josephs Parents in 1797- submitted though!

Joseph Smart
Birth: About 1772 Of, Dudley, Worcester,
Spouse: Mary Cocksey
Marriage: 26 DEC 1797

Record submitted

are these to be put on or do they need more confermation

SMART John WARD Emma 1846 Halesowen, St John the Baptist poss marriage for the ones in 51 census

[peterd]

SMART, Edward, HD, 34, nail maker, b. Halesowen;
Sarah, Wife, 30, b. Ipswich, SFK,
Thomas, Son, 10, nail maker, b. Halesowen;
George Son 6 Scholar, b. Halesowen;
Edward Son 4 b. Halesowen;
Sarah Ann Dau. 2 b. Halesowen;
Mary LG, UM, 55 Pauper/ nail maker b. Halesowen;
Ellen, LG U, 16, b. Halesowen;
DINGLEY, Anne, niece, 7, b. Halesowen


mary lodger i think is his mother and the um is actually a W for widow and ellen his his younger sister see christenings above for joseph and mary


poss death

SMART Joseph 1843 - Halesowen West Midlands Dudley Register Office

what do you think

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