Lockerbie, Hoddam, Canonbie Dumfries Parish records

[Razzy]

Hello All,
I am tracing the family of Francis Graham and Mary Bell who married in the 1820s' and lived in the Hoddam area.
On the internet I have been able to find (conversations) on the 1860 Scotland census with Francis being born @1780.
It seems I forgot to mark down who Mary Bells' parents are, when she was born and where.
Their children that I have been able to find are
Christian (female))spelling?) cJan 9th, 1825
Jane c July 16th, 1826
John c June 19th, 1829
Mary c July 25th, 1831
Francis c Aug 17th, 1834*

It seems that This Francis born 1780- his parents are Francis born@ 1759 and Janet Taylor b @1763 both in Canonbie.
I have not ordered any film yet but was wondering if anyone can confirm this and of course who Francis and Janet Taylors parents are and their marriage date.
Thanks
Razzy

[grangers14]

It looks like some are recorded by a submitted entry on the IGI.
Have you tried Scotlands People?
Just doing a search for births of Graham, father Francis and Mother Mary in that area comes up with 5 children. I didnt see a marriage though.
Is this the family?
Transcriptions from Ancestry
1841 Census
Grahamsfield, Hoddam, Dumfrieshire
Francis graham, 60, Tailor
Mary, 47,
John, 12,
Francis, 7,
William, 3

1851 Census
Grahamsfield
Mary Graham, head, 58, Tundergarth, Dumfriesshire
Christena, 26, daur, Hoddam
Jane, 24, daur, Hoddam
John, 22 , son, Tailor (master Employing 2 Apprentices) Hoddam
Francis, 16, son, Hoddam
William, 13, son, Tailors Apprentice, Hoddam
Mary Dickson, 1, Grand daur, Hoddam
John Irving, 16, sons apprentice, Hoddam

[Razzy]

Yes, I recognize some of the names. My ancestor is William.
I have yet to find where Mary nee Bell was born or baptized so the information there in 1851 is helpful. I can assume that Francis the husband of Mary is dead, I believe he was born about 1780.
Williams' daughter I was able to find in the 1871 register that I ordered from FHL.
I hope to find more children soon in another microfilm.
I also found that Francis' parents were Francis Graham and Janet Taylor born 1759 and 1763 respectively.
I hope to continue finding more!

[Razzy]

So, I have been able to trace back to 1758 where William GRAHAM of Knottyholme (Nittyholme, Knittyholme)
and Agnes ARMSTRONG. I do not know where to look for their marriage to see who their parents are. The children were baptized in Canonbie FHL #1067956. Their children were said to be of Thornethwaite or Knottyholme.
Francis Bap. Dec 30th, 1758
Thomas
Helen
Mary
Catherine
Agnes
William born Nov 21st, 1770; bap Nov 24th, 1770.

Correct me, but the childrens names usually go: fathers father
(so Williams' father could be Francis)
mothers father (so Agnes' father could be Thomas)
Fathers' mother (so I could be looking for Williams' parents named Francis and Helen Graham?)
Mothers' mother (so I could be looking for Agnes' parents being Thomas and Mary Armstrong)
Now this is in a perfect world where everything is according to Hoyle....
This does not seem to hold true in the Canonbie parish,
so I am thinking William (at least) did not come from Canonbie parish.

I just came across this more correct info on the brick walls folder:

1st son named after father's father, 2nd son after mother's father, 1st daughter after mother's mother, 2nd daughter after father's mother.
In this case, I stand corrected- I could be looking for a Francis and Mary GRAHAM and Thomas and Helen ARMSTRONG (in a perfect world...) still does not seem that William came from Canonbie following this idea. I did not think to copy down the Armstrongs as I was going through the microfilm of Canonbie.

Any perspectives?