TWINS?

[Jimmy]

Have you got them in any census's.

[watters2831]

yes , james and issac are on the 1861 census onwards , and alice from the 1871 census

[Maths girl]

1861 Will Head Tockholes
Thomas Ormerod 39 Stone Mason Haslington
Nancy Ormerod 38 Haslington
Jane Walton 14 Wife Daughter Weaver (Cotton) Padiham
Isaac Ormerod 6 at school, Padiham
James Ormerod 5 at school, Padiham
Thomas Ormerod 1 Tockhales

[watters2831]

yes maths girl , thats the family

[Maths girl]

1861 Will Head Tockholes
Thomas Ormerod 39 Stone Mason Haslington
Nancy Ormerod 38 Haslington
Jane Walton 14 Wife Daughter Weaver (Cotton) Padiham
Isaac Ormerod 6 at school, Padiham
James Ormerod 5 at school, Padiham
Thomas Ormerod 1 Tockhales

1871 Higher ???? Bank, Blackburn
Thomas Ormerod 54 Stone Mason Higham
Nancy Ormerod 47 Harwood
Isaac Ormerod 17 Cotton Weaver Padiham
James Ormerod 16 Cotton Weaver Padiham
Thomas Ormerod 11 Cotton Weaver Tockholes
Sarah Ormerod 9 Scholar Tockholes
Alise Ormerod 7 Scholar Tockholes

[Maths girl]

There is also this Isaac Ormerod in 1871 who given the discrepancies found in ages could be the apparent twin of James

1871 103 Trinity Street , Halinghma Eaves
Margaret Ormerod 46
Hinder Ormerod 18 Cotton Weaver
Isaac Ormerod 14 Cotton Weaver
William H Ormerod 12 Cotton Weaver
Norman Ormerod 5 scholar
Martha Chew 24

All Born Burnley

[Maths girl]

Just wondering whether Isaac brother of James was registered as Ezra
Ezra Ormerod
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Burnley
County: Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding

[watters2831]

that is new information but none of those names are familiar to me

[Maths girl]

Isaac Births held at Burnley
1856 ORMEROD Isaac Burnley Preston BU/40/52
1856 ORMEROD Isaac Colne Preston COL/30/52

James Births held at Burnley
1854 ORMEROD James Burnley Preston BU/35/52
1856 ORMEROD James Burnley Preston BU/39/98
1858 ORMEROD James Padiham Preston PA/13/48

Looking at that lot and the ages on the census the only thing I can conclude is that they didn't keep track of when the children were born and how old they were

[watters2831]

this is from ancestry website , birt search , surname ormerod year 1856 , place , burnley

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... _x=1&ne=16

[watters2831]

Isaac Births held at Burnley
1856 ORMEROD Isaac Burnley Preston BU/40/52
1856 ORMEROD Isaac Colne Preston COL/30/52

James Births held at Burnley
1854 ORMEROD James Burnley Preston BU/35/52
1856 ORMEROD James Burnley Preston BU/39/98
1858 ORMEROD James Padiham Preston PA/13/48

Looking at that lot and the ages on the census the only thing I can conclude is that they didn't keep track of when the children were born and how old they were

so do you think they ARE twins?

[Maths girl]

Isaac Births held at Burnley
1856 ORMEROD Isaac Burnley Preston BU/40/52
1856 ORMEROD Isaac Colne Preston COL/30/52

James Births held at Burnley
1854 ORMEROD James Burnley Preston BU/35/52
1856 ORMEROD James Burnley Preston BU/39/98
1858 ORMEROD James Padiham Preston PA/13/48

Looking at that lot and the ages on the census the only thing I can conclude is that they didn't keep track of when the children were born and how old they were

My gut reaction is no -- I think the above were probably the two brothers.

I am basing this on the fact that while they may have got ages of children wrong they would have remembered if they had been twins and would have therefore put their ages as the same even if they were wrong -- imagine the arguments in the household if they had not! Children then were probably just as keen as they are these days to preserve the differences at that stage! Also the more I thik about it the more the references go with the pages that the births are registered and I doubt that twins would be registered that far apart. The only way to know for sure is to see the birth certificates or wait until Lancashire BMD adds more mother's surnames!!

[watters2831]

thanks very much , i think you're right , i need to get the birth certificates to be absolutely sure , james ormerod has been a bit of hard work because james and ormerod were very popular names at that time in lancashire

[Maths girl]

thanks very much , i think you're right , i need to get the birth certificates to be absolutely sure , james ormerod has been a bit of hard work because james and ormerod were very popular names at that time in lancashire

Yes they are popular in that area -- I have never heard of Ormorod until tonight -- but there are certainly lots up there in Lancashire at that time

[LondonLover1982]

Also having cousins can be a night mare. You have to get the birth certs to be really sure.

Sometimes two cousins with the same surname were born days apart in the same village even and registered the same day or within days of each other.