UPDATE look up for KDW done!---Sarah Guest abt 1852

[kdw]

Have looked this marriage up
5 April 1902 St Johns Halesowen
Frank Hackett X 37 Bachelor Labourer Quarry Lane HasburyThomas Hackett Labourer
Sarah Jane Hobbis X 49 Widow Quarry Lane Hasbury Thomas Guest Deceased Labourer
Wit: Thomas Henry White
Harriet Harris
Banns
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =244649594

Is this the Thomas Hobbis she married as age is wrong ?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =753351742

1871
Thomas Hobbis Head 32 Nailer Born Northfield
Sarah Jane Hobbis Wife 19 Nailer Born Hasbury
Bertha Ann Hobbis Daur. 1 Born Hasbury

[grangers14]

Transcribed as Habbis on Ancestry
1901 Census
Quarry Lane, Hasbury
Sarah J Hobbis, head, w, 50, Nail Maker
Frederick, son, 19, Tube Maker
Miriam A, daur, 17, Nail maker,
Louis, daur, 14, Nail maker,
All born Halesowen

1891 Census
Quarry Lane, Hasbury
Thomas Hobbis, head, 52, Nail Maker, Kingsnorton
Sarah Jane, wife, 19, Nail Maker
Ellen, daur, 17, Nail maker,
Mary Ann, daur, 14,
Fred, son, 7,
Louie, daur, 4,
All others born Halesowen

1881 Census
Quarry Lane, Hasbury
Thomas Hobbis, 42, Nail maker, Kings Norton
Sarah J, wife, 30, Nail maker
Bertha A, daur, 11,
Sarah A, 9,
Ellen, daur, 7,
Mary A, daur, 4
All others born Halesowen

Same address on 1871 Census

[grangers14]

Possible??
1861 Census
Margaret Hill lane, Hasbury
Thomas Ingram, head, 40, Nail Forger
Phoebe, wife, 46, Northfield
George, son, 20, Horse Nail maker
Thomas, son, 15, Horse nail maker
Ellen, daur, 10,
Thomas Hobbis, son in Law, 22, Nail Forger, kings Norton
Louisa, daur in Law, 20, nail Forger, Kings Norton
All others born Halesowen

[grangers14]

1851 Census
Spring Hill, Hasbury
Enoch Read, head, 34, Nailor, Romsley
Phebe, wife, 37, Nailor, Northfield
Ellen Hobbis, daur, 14, Nailor
Thomas Hobbis, son, 12, Nailor
Louisa Hobbis, 9, Nailor
All others born Kings Norton

[grangers14]

1841 Census
? Kings Norton
Henry Hobbis, 35, ? Layer
Pheoby, 25,
Ellen, 5,
Thomas, 2,
Leuisar, 2 months
All born County

Doesnt seem to match for the link of the one you gave?
Jo

[grangers14]

This looks like it may be the other one,
1851 Census
Hagley Road, Hasbury
Rhoda bayliss, head, W, 82, Romsley Hill
Canora ? Daughter, W, 35, Nailor, ?ley
Hustly Hobbiss, grand daur, 18, Nailor
Elizabeth Hobbis, grand daur, 15, Nailor
Thomas, Hobbis, born out of wedlock, 1
All others born Hasbury

Its very hard to read lots of crossing out

[grangers14]

1841 Census
Ner? Quarry, Hasbury, Halesowen
Rhoda Bayliss, 70,
William Hobbis, 30, Nailor
Eleanora, 28,
Henry, 13,, Born inCounty
Hussley, 6, Born inCounty
Elizabeth, 3, Born in County
Others not born in County

[grangers14]

The last two census are already on BCC

[kdw]

So let me get this right the Thomas Hobbis showing on BCC isn't the Thomas Hobbis that married Sarah Guest so the marriage for them needs to be looked up.
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1869
HOBBIS * Thomas GUEST Sarah J Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/394


This could be his parents
HENRY HOBBIS
Marriages:
Spouse: PHEBE PERRY
Marriage: 15 FEB 1836 Edgbaston, Warwick, England

Did his mother remarry twice

2nd marriage
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1846
HOBBIS Phoebe READ Enoch Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/001/488

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1857
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
READ Phebe INGRAM Thomas Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/016/135

in 1861 should Thomas and Louisa be stepchildren

[grangers14]

I think they were step children.
I dont think he is the one on BCC, just my thoughts mind.
Jo

[kdw]

Thanks Jo it makes sense to me, will wait see if anyone else has any thoughts

[kdw]

Can we find Sarah on census before marriage

[linell]

I think he is the Northfield Thomas step son of Enoch Read:-

1851 Spring Hill Hasbury
Enock Read HD 39 Nailer born Romsley
Phoebe Wife 37 Northfield
Ellen Hobbis DA 14 Kingsnorton
Thomas Hobbis Son 12 Nailer Kings Norton
Louisa DA 9 Kings Norton

Thomas's age is out though, will check on that Linell.

[linell]

1841 Census
? Kings Norton
Henry Hobbis, 35, ? Layer
Pheoby, 25,
Ellen, 5,
Thomas, 2,
Leuisar, 2 months
All born County

Doesnt seem to match for the link of the one you gave?
Jo

No he was born about 1839, we want one born about 1850.

Linell.

[kdw]

Cant make sense of this now im lost
Phoebe Hobbis married Enoch Read 30 Aug 1846
we are looking for Thomas Hobbis 1839