*Arc tbc* ---John Roan

[Northern Lass]

This is the father of Thomas Roan married to Mary Holloway
he is a Soldier on marriage of son in 1842
Thomas is born about 1820 prob Warley Wigorn

wits on marriage are Francis Whitehurst and Sarah Cole

just wanted the mother of Thomas and wife of John

[Jimmy]

Could this be Thomas in 1851.

1851.Park House Lane, Oldbury.
Thomas Raun 31. Carpenter and Joiner. born Dudley.
Mary Ann Raun 28. born Brierley Hill.
Susanna Raun 7. Smethwick.
Ann Maria Raun 6. Poplar, Middlesex.
Sarah Raun 2. Dudley.
Mary Ann Raun 2. Dudley.
Thomas H Raun 5 Mo. Oldbury.
Eliza Rogers 15. Visitor.

[Northern Lass]

Could this be Thomas in 1851.

1851.Park House Lane, Oldbury.
Thomas Raun 31. Carpenter and Joiner. born Dudley.
Mary Ann Raun 28. born Brierley Hill.
Susanna Raun 7. Smethwick.
Ann Maria Raun 6. Poplar, Middlesex.
Sarah Raun 2. Dudley.
Mary Ann Raun 2. Dudley.
Thomas H Raun 5 Mo. Oldbury.
Eliza Rogers 15. Visitor.

think this is him

1851 Birmingham Street Halesowen
Thomas Roan Batty HD M 32 Sweep Chelsea Middx
Mary Wife 29 Nailer Halesowen
Elizabeth D 4 H/O
Alexander Son 1 H/O
Wm Bandicot Servant 24 Sweep Leceister
Hannah Holloway Lodger Nailer 9 H/O
Mary Brookes Lodger W 32 Nailer H/O
Sarah Brookes Lodger 5 Rowley
Charlotte Brooks Lodger 3 Rowley


can we find him in 1841?

[Northern Lass]

Just filling this lot in on BCC

odd this he marries as Roan but on census and on bapt for some kids puts
Thomas Roan Batty

so he might be a Batty on census

can anyone find a bapt for him?
or maybe he is batty on 1841

[Jimmy]

This is the father of Thomas Roan married to Mary Holloway
he is a Soldier on marriage of son in 1842
Thomas is born about 1820 prob Warley Wigorn

wits on marriage are Francis Whitehurst and Sarah Cole

just wanted the mother of Thomas and wife of John

What was Thomas's occupation on the marriage cert.

[Northern Lass]

ALEXANDER ROAN BATTY
Christening: 09 JAN 1850 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ROAN BATTY
Mother: MARY Extracted birth


JANE ROAN
Christening: 17 SEP 1851 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ROAN
Mother: MARY BATTY
Extracted

GEORGE BATTY
Christening: 06 JAN 1858 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ROAN BATTY
Mother: MARY Extracted


MARY BATTY
Christening: 25 DEC 1862 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ROAN BATTY
Mother: MARY Extracted

here is link

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =880334537


He is Chimney sweep on marriage I have entered marriage in notes

[Northern Lass]

This is odd
Mary Holloway is down as Batty
wonder why?

anyone got the trans book see what it says

JANE ROAN
Christening: 17 SEP 1851 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS ROAN
Mother: MARY BATTY
Extracted

we know it is Mary Holloway spinster
must be a mistake in PR

[Jimmy]

Will this help.

1861. Birmingham St. Halesowen.
Thomas Roan Batty 43. born Chelsey, Moray, Scotland. Chimney Sweeper.
Mary Batty 43.
Hannah Holloway 20. Dau in law.
Elizabeth Holloway 13.
Elexander Holloway 10.
Jane Holloway 9.
George Holloway 4.
Bangham Holloway 4 Mo.


All others born Halesowen.

[Northern Lass]

So he is born Scotland on 61 and Middlesex on 51

kids look regs as batty

1849
BATTY Alexander Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/009/87

1851
BATTY Jane R Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/010/448

[Jimmy]

1871. Birmingham St.
Thomas Batty 55. Chelsea, Middlesex, Chimney Sweep and lodging house keeper.
Mary Batty 50.
Alexander Batty 21. So.
William Jones 12.
Samuel Lores 65.
John William 33.
Hannah William 46.
Ellen Smith 52.
William Coley 76.
John Goddard 52.
John Lambert 36.
Richard Purcell 33.
Catherine Purcell 30.
Mary Purcell 11 months.
Thomas Fisher 63.

All others lodgers.

[Jimmy]

Will this help.

1861. Birmingham St. Halesowen.
Thomas Roan Batty 43. born Chelsey, Moray, Scotland. Chimney Sweeper.
Mary Batty 43.
Hannah Holloway 20. Dau in law.
Elizabeth Holloway 13.
Elexander Holloway 10.
Jane Holloway 9.
George Holloway 4.
Bangham Holloway 4 Mo.


All others born Halesowen.

Looking at the image it dosn't say Scotland only Chelsey.

[Northern Lass]

can anyone find that birth for Bangham batty
can't be called that

[Maths girl]

can anyone find that birth for Bangham batty
can't be called that

No obvious Batty's but there is this one at about the right time

Benjamin Holloway 1860 Oct-Nov-Dec Stourbridge

[Jimmy]

Its strange how these are down on the census as Holloway.

Hannah Holloway 20. Dau in law.
Elizabeth Holloway 13.
Elexander Holloway 10.
Jane Holloway 9.
George Holloway 4.
Bangham Holloway 4 Mo.

[Maths girl]

1851 Birmingham Street Halesowen
Thomas Roan Batty HD M 32 Sweep Chelsea Middx
Mary Wife 29 Nailer Halesowen
Elizabeth D 4 H/O
Alexander Son 1 H/O
Wm Bandicot Servant 24 Sweep Leceister
Hannah Holloway Lodger Nailer 9 H/O
Mary Brookes Lodger W 32 Nailer H/O
Sarah Brookes Lodger 5 Rowley
Charlotte Brooks Lodger 3 Rowley

1861. Birmingham St. Halesowen.
Thomas Roan Batty 43. born Chelsey, Moray, Chimney Sweeper.
Mary Batty 43.
Hannah Holloway 20. Dau in law.
Elizabeth Holloway 13.
Elexander Holloway 10.
Jane Holloway 9.
George Holloway 4.
Bangham Holloway 4 Mo.


All others born Halesowen.

Interesting Hannah goes from Lodger to Daughter-in-law in 10 years without changing her name --- was daughter-in-law being used as -(step-daughter) - (adopted daughter)

I've just looked at the original for 1861 and noted the following:

Originally Hannah has Do for her surname ie Batty! This has been crossed out and Holloway added.
The rest of the children then have Do for their surname --- Question when was the crossing out and the Holloway added - if all the children were added with Do and then the enumerator was corrected - it reverts just Hannah to being Holloway or she presented them with Benjamin as a surprise extra!